Quote from: r1s2g3 on December 26, 2018, 05:08:08 AM

I will simply say if we can create the system that DT feedback will be applicable only if it supported by 2 other DTs.

That will make the system even more inefficient to the point where I bet DT members would stop tagging anyone. What am I supposed to do when I find an account seller and want to tag him--drop a PM to another DT member to request that he cosign my negative trust? Wait for a response and if the answer is no, then move on to another DT member? What if I get scammed myself? Am I then not allowed to leave a neg unless I have approval from someone else on DT?

There are so many problems with that suggestion that for me it's a non-starter right from the get go. DT members aren't paid staff. The ones that do tag scammers do so on their own time, voluntarily. The ones who've shown themselves to be untrustworthy or use bad judgement when leaving feedback (or for whatever other reason) get removed. That's a fact, as evidenced by all the ones who've already been removed.

The people I see railing the hardest against the system are the members who've been tagged by DT members for their untrustworthy behavior.

And Anduck, you can argue that self-bidding in auctions is allowed by certain auctioneers, but it is not a commonly-accepted practice and I think you learned the hard way what the bitcointalk community thinks about it here. The only thing you have going in your favor as far as that goes is that there wasn't a rule against it here, but Vod wasn't alone in thinking it was very shady of you to do it. I do recall some sort of attempt at bargaining that Vod did about feedback removal (I don't know where that thread is now), and I do recall thinking that it wasn't something he should have engaged in and isn't the behavior he typically displays.

Even if he was wrong in doing that, I think his feedback on you about the self-bidding is absolutely correct. If I wasn't familiar with the situation, I would definitely want a visible warning that you might be bidding on your own auctions.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 26, 2018, 11:31:10 AM

Can we please not derail yet another thread in to Anduck's personal beef.

Yes, sorry about that.

Quote from: Anduck on December 26, 2018, 11:47:35 AM

Of course. The people affected by the wrongdoing are the loudest about it, naturally. See e.g. banks, politics or whatever subject. On the other hand, the people being most supportive of current DT list are the people on it.

Fair enough, but I would like to add that I do think the trust system needs to be revamped and I've always said it was broken as well. If Theymos were to make changes that affected the weight of my feedback, I'd be totally OK with that except for the fact that all the negs I've left wouldn't be much of a warning to anyone else. I don't like the trust system the way it is, but there should be a mechanism by which members can be warned about scammers and so forth. Unfortunately I don't have any great ideas on how to improve the system we have now, and the vast majority of suggestions I've heard so far either wouldn't help or would make things worse.