Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

Its not about being native, it is about culture and integration.

Oh so we're not discussing birthright citizenship then? Roll Eyes

We are, and this is not an argument.

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

If you let people in too fast the fabric of what makes the USA the USA breaks down and becomes absorbed by the new culture.

Doesn't mean anything, can you define what makes the USA the USA? Can you define USA culture? If not, how can you see that "the fabric of what makes the USA the USA is breaking down"?

I see. So unless I can define American culture to your satisfaction, it doesn't exist?

DEFINITION OF CULTURE

This is the definition of culture. All those things effect the functioning of societies. You claiming these qualities are irrelevant is just asinine.

A lot of the people flooding into this country are from nations which are pro-socialist and pro-Communist. They flea the misery that these systems create, not understanding the cause, then come here and vote for entitlement programs and overburden public systems. You do this enough times and before you know it the USA is just like all those failing Communist/Socialist states.

This is just an example, as this could occur in many different ways. We can see this pattern play out on a smaller scale as people flea the more socialist policy heavy areas of the US such as California and Illinois bleeding residents to more conservative states like Texas and Tennessee. They then go there and keep voting for the same broken policies they had from where they left as they begin debasing those systems.

This is just one way I know it is happening, because America is a large place, and we deal with this issue internally between the states as well as internationally.

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

That is not ok, and the constant attempt to cast this as a racial issue is just a very useful distraction from this fact.

What? The question of race or racism wasn't even mentionned in all my posts, what are you talking about? Oo

"Native" has distinct racial connotations, and a common tactic of people advocating for open borders is to insinuate or outright accuse those they disagree with as racist. What do you attribute my motives to?

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

Please explain how "rethoric" gets rid of some one else's ideas and speech. The left are the ones focused on telling everyone what they are and are not allowed to say. Some one else disagreeing with you is not equivalent to them silencing you.

Violent rhetoric and your heavy abilities to ignore facts you don't like and answering only to a small part of arguments make it easy for you to chase away any different idea from what you believe is right. You're not silencing anyone, you're simply exhausting anyone different from you, making them leave the place of discussion you occupy because you're not here to discuss.

Imagine you're in a bus, and while everyone talks politely there is someone who suddenly starts yelling at everyone, without touching them, yelling that they're not understanding shit that they're stupid that they have no logic while not listening to the person or answering any of there argument. That will make everyone leave the bus to take another one. That's what you're doing, you're making extremely exhausting for anyone to try to talk where you are because you're here to dominate the ground, not to discuss.

"Violent rhetoric" WTF does that even mean? Advocating for violence? When have I advocated for violence? Words are not violence.

Ignoring what facts? Just claiming I am ignoring facts is not an argument. When I answer as one longer reply you cry that I "don't address everything", even though I do, but then when I reply to you, as you reply to me, breaking everything down point by point you complain about "small packets".

You claiming I am not here to discuss does not magically make it a fact. What you experience could also be described as you running out of arguments to defend your position and giving up on defending it. Your ideas must not be very important if you can't muster a few words for its defense.

I am not preventing you from speaking. If you don't like me "dominating the ground" then perhaps you should present some ideas worth a damn. You never know I might even agree with you.

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

Mobbing, threats, coordinated de-platforming, and attacking ones ability to earn a living are the favored tactics of the left.

Don't know what you're talking about... Don't know a single person in the situation you're describing.

Well shit, since you don't know anyone it must not be the case. Case closed everyone!

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

When was the last time you saw conservatives show up to a leftist event? Why is it that leftists are at nearly every conservative event? It is because the left can not tolerate dissent and attempts to silence it at every turn, by any means necessary.

Every France Insoumise meeting or demonstration of the past 2 years in France... But in USA I don't know of course.

Yes. You do not know. That does not stop you from claiming authority on subjects you are only casually familiar with now does it?

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 01:12:51 AM

10 years ago the left was actually closer to being the true definition of "liberal", in a dictionary sense. That is what the left used to mean, but the Overton Window has shifted SO FAR to the left, even left moderates are now being categorized as being on the right. This was always a Communist/Socialist ideal. It was not always a liberal ideal.

False and it's easy to prove. Simply take a look of the left political programs 20 years ago and the ones now, current political programs are SO MUCH MORE right sided. They're much more pacific and tolerant towards economic inequalities and wealth distribution. At least again in France. Current "extreme left" program is the program of the "normal left" 20/30 years ago. They seem extreme in our society because we only had right-wing politics for the last 40 years so we're more used to this politic now. Raising minimum wage seems like a communist action while it was just a normal thing to ask for 30 years ago.

Again, we are talking about the US, so I don't know why you keep bringing up France. However I suspect if it is anything like it is happening here, what you are experiencing is a result of primarily 2 things. The leftist programs are failing, and negative results are stacking up, conservatives and nationalists all over the world, some times referred to as "the silent majority" are suddenly starting to call out the failure of the left in unison.

They were always there, they were just giving the left a fair shot to try these new programs, and they failed horribly. Now as the adults come to take control of the situation and get everything functional again, the media simultaneously pushes a narrative of a sudden right wing supremacist nazi explosion out of nowhere world wide. Seriously nazis are everywhere. Since these are right wing nazi usurpers, it is therefor acceptable to ignore, deplatform, and dehumanize them.

You are a victim of your television. Get rid of it.

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:36:07 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 10:24:27 AM

Is that so? Is that why they are trying to make it illegal to criticize immigration now in some European countries, because they are so done with it?

Don't know which country you're talking about... You're starting to sound similar to our French "extreme right" political party who are the most interviewed and the most on TV of all the French parties and are always saying that "the media are silencing us" xD

HAHAH yeah criminalizing speech is hilarious isn't it?

THE TOPIC US "TRUMP WANTS TO END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP" not m0gliE tells us about how it is in France.

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/criticism-of-immigration-will-be-banned-in-europe/

Free speech is only a RIGHT in the USA. This is not some conspiracy theory, people go to prison in Europe for saying the wrong things and having the wrong opinions.

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:36:07 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 10:24:27 AM

We all know he is not talking about The Schengen Agreement, so lets not pretend this isn't about the 3rd world flooding in.

Similar, immegration laws are more and more harsh the years passing by. More and more countries are starting to put closed borders, redirecting immigrants, expulsing the ones already on the national ground... 30 years ago it was hard to arrive in a country but once the ground you were never deported, never ever.
https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/le-nombre-d-expulsions-en-hausse-de-14-en-france_1974518.html

Deportation are increasing every year so I don't see what you're talking about...

The laws are getting more harsh in reaction to these reckless policies of open borders. Again you keep bringing up France. Perhaps you should start a thread about European immigration policy?

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:36:07 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 10:24:27 AM

As far as proof the "left is pushing for open borders", why it it that I always see Communists groups and ANTIFA at these immigration protests?

You do realize that you're not reasonning logically right?
"left is pushing for open borders" -> means left political parties and their supporters want to open border
"I always see Communists groups and ANTIFA at these immigration protests" -> the only ones pushing for open borders are at the left

It was always the case and will always be the case. You can't see nationalists and fascists pushing for open borders the only ones you'll see will always be Communists and antifa xD

What the fuck are you even trying to argue here? I literally can't even tell what your premise is, other than accusing me of being illogical without support.

Quote from: m0gliE on December 27, 2018, 10:36:07 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 10:24:27 AM

Letting the 3rd world flood in fits perfectly with Communist ideology considering the entire goal of Communism is to destroy nations to make way for more Communism in the resulting chaos.

Lol

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 27, 2018, 10:24:27 AM

Letting millions of impoverished people flood into a nation is a good way to do that. Then you have plenty of poor people to vote for your entitlement programs that get paid for by magic some how or something.

Lol again

Yes, your ignorance is hilarious.