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They have some existed new or why price increased for last few days? I just read their twitter and there are no information... May be some insiders information or some existing news coming? When they will have at last own wallet with native tokens? They said about own blockchain, but don't have coins for more than half of year Huh

The mainnet exists since spring. There are native tokens there as well as erc20 token. For now you can hold whatever you like but in the future I think only native tokens will stay. You can also find the wallet in the mainnet as well.

A great summary indeed, although I have to make a slight correction. In the future (the near one), both tokens will exist. One cannot remove data from the Ethereum network, therefore UTNP will stay there regardless.

In the sense of utilizing Universa's main blockchain, trading UTN on exchanges, will this ever occur? Or are we going to be trading UTNP on every exchange regardless of what occurs in the future?

As i expressed before, if anyone actually sent UTN to another wallet, it's very awkward. You have to physically upload a uni file, before the mainnet processes it. You sign coins with your main wallet, but that's as far as the system goes? You always need a 2-party consensus to transact a transaction? Because no other system in the world (for payments) behaves in this fashion.

Again, these are mostly questions i had asked previously that went unanswered. Ofc you answered some, but nothing was meaningful, just a generic defense without examining what really i was asking or saying.

>In the sense of utilizing Universa's main blockchain, trading UTN on exchanges, will this ever occur? Or are we going to be trading UTNP on every exchange regardless of what occurs in the future?

As i expressed before, if anyone actually sent UTN to another wallet, it's very awkward. You have to physically upload a uni file, before the mainnet processes it. You sign coins with your main wallet, but that's as far as the system goes? You always need a 2-party consensus to transact a transaction? Because no other system in the world (for payments) behaves in this fashion.

Adam (one of the telegram admins) gave you the answer.

>Again, these are mostly questions i had asked previously that went unanswered. Ofc you answered some, but nothing was meaningful, just a generic defense without examining what really i was asking or saying.

Could your ask the rest of your questions one more time, please?

Speaking about the first part, Alexander Myodov provided with much more in-depth answer on Telegram.

***FROM TELEGRAM, WRITTEN BY ALEXANDAR MYODOV***

"Physically accepting" is a web client/crypto cloud feature, not the inborn Universas one.
(Not) Requiring a 2 party consensus depends on what you mean by it.

Imagine, Alice wants to send 10 UTN (or any other Universa tokens) to Bob.

1. Do you mean, can Alice send 10 UTN to Bob, without Bobs approval? Obviously she can. She just reregisters 10 UTN to Bob, and thats it. She cannot use them anymore. Bob will be able to use them when/if he received the 10 UTNs are registered by Alice to Bob contract file somehow. He doesnt need to approve anything. He actually cannot approve or deny anything; if Alice reregisters her own tokens to Bobs public key/address, she does it herself.

2. Do you mean, can Alice complete some action so that the tokens become owned by Bob he can just use them without any extra operations from his side?
Well, using them will be his operation anyway. The tokens are reregistered by Alice to Bob. Now its just the question how will he get his contract file.
And there are multiple ways for that.

2.1. Using the crypto cloud / web client chat. When Alice uses web client chat to transfer the tokens, she simultaneously passes the contract file. Rather convenient. But it is a bit external to Universa.

2.2. (Fully internal method to Universa) Alice may (for extra cost) use our SLOT1 service and, besides registering the contract to Bob, also store it in Universa blockchain. It implies some cost (to store the data, depending on how large it is and how long to store), but Alice did her action, and now Bob anytime can get his contract from SLOT1; and this contract is already registered as owned by him.

2.3. There is also a Follower contract, a rather new feature. With some implications, Bob can register/track some contracts (like, UTN tokens; for extra fee as well) so some his host will get notified when Alice reregisters the contract to Bob. Even if she didnt pay any extra to store it in the SLOT1! Bob will still get it.

TLDR: when any token (including UTN) gets reregistered to another owner, normally (just by using Universa means) the new owner wont get the contract. There are means to enforce that; this could be either Crypto Cloud/web client (basically for free) or SLOT1/Follower contract (for some extra fee, either on the sender or on the receiver side).

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Response from devs, thanks for following up.

Thank you! Very interesting. I think it is a good piece of knowledge for newcomers and for those who think knows everything.