Quote from: JSRAW on January 04, 2019, 12:41:49 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on January 04, 2019, 12:38:32 PM

Quote from: ATMD on January 04, 2019, 11:52:52 AM

Quote from: m0gliE on January 04, 2019, 10:37:44 AM

Quote from: ATMD on January 04, 2019, 09:31:54 AM

I don't believe that I should be killing anyone for working on Saturday. Murder is immoral. Morality does not change over time, murder is always immoral and will always be.

Examples of absolute morality?
Do not commit murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not cheat
Do not cause harm to others

These morals never change. Even a billion years from now, they remain true.

Lol, thanks Captain Obvious. You might not have thought about that but moral is exactly like fogs. Of course when you're in the center it's quite obvious where you are, but when do you decide when you're out of the fog? Where is the border? Where is the limit?

Killing someone without reason is a crime, quite obvious thanks. Now what about killing someone to save two people? What about stealing the rich to feed the poor?

Real life example: You find someone in your house at night while your kids are sleeping. What is considered as ok per your moral code? Hitting him? Shooting him? Well moral here is blurry and always difficult to deal with.
If the guy is armed with a knife and seems looking for trouble, everyone will be ok with you shooting him and it will be considered as self defense. Now what if the guy is drunked and obviously just a student having a heavy party who made a stupid bet? You still have the right to be scared so what is ok?

Of course 98% of the cases are simple. The problem is with the 2% perticular cases. That's the ones difficult where moral isn't all white or black.

Sorry m0gliE, I wasn't referring to your post at all. I was answering af_newbie's question for examples of absolute morality.

Self-defense is not murder, murder is premeditated attempt to take someone's life, absolutely immoral. No gray area.

So the Bible, Quran and Talmud are all wrong. Thanks for agreeing. Now, go burn these texts and try to be a better person than the people who wrote these books.

Instead of burning why not cherry-pick every good thing from these texts?

We already did that. Modern secular laws. We have extended these good bits based on our modern understanding of human psychology, crime and punishment. People who wrote those texts would be pissed if they knew the moral code we follow today.

Point is, the morality is relative and is not absolute.