Quote from: Spendulus on January 06, 2019, 02:05:20 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 06, 2019, 01:53:11 AM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 06, 2019, 01:36:45 AM

Second of all, please let us know how clue by clue you can reconstruct the "tricks" this pastor is performing, I'd love to read that. Specially when he has random people he approaches perform the miracles he performs by just repeating his words? Oftentimes friends of the person the healings are performed on? I wanna read your thoughts on it.

Start with the basics, then. Are you familiar with the scientific method?
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Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 06, 2019, 01:36:45 AM

(A)...Since you stated you had to deconstruct the miracle to prove it as a scam, I gave you the opportunity to deconstruct what the pastor was doing and you still haven't said a word about it.

(B)...You talk about the scientific method when you are basing your WHOLE believe system in a theory that you haven't proved to be true.

(A) You did not answer my rather simple question. Regarding my question, you must have an understanding of the scientific method before you can understand how a miracle may be falsified. Here is a brief explanation.

Reference https://explorable.com/falsifiability

Falsifiability is the assertion that for any hypothesis to have credence, it must be inherently disprovable before it can become accepted as a scientific hypothesis or theory.

For example, someone might claim "the earth is younger than many scientists state, and in fact was created to appear as though it was older through deceptive fossils etc. This is a claim that is unfalsifiable because it is a theory that can never be shown to be false. If you were to present such a person with fossils, geological data or arguments about the nature of compounds in the ozone, they could refute the argument by saying that your evidence was fabricated to appeared that way, and isnt valid.

Importantly, falsifiability doesnt mean that there are currently arguments against a theory, only that it is possible to imagine some kind of argument which would invalidate it. Falsifiability says nothing about an argument's inherent validity or correctness. It is only the minimum trait required of a claim that allows it to be engaged with in a scientific manner a dividing line between what is considered science and what isnt. Another important point is that falsifiability is not any claim that has yet to be proven true. After all, a conjecture that hasnt been proven yet is just a hypothesis.

(B) This is something (again) that you impute my having said that I did not say. In the previous case where I questioned whether you were lying, you responded "I'm not lying, this is just an analogy to the explanation you made trying to prove wrong the person doing the miracles." Is that the case here also?

Here is an example of a magician who as part of his act routinely performs "miracle healing."

https://www.secrets-explained.com/derren-brown/miracle

Through the power of God, Derren heals members of his audience from chronic pain, bad eyesight and other health problems.

Explanation:

This is done through a mixture of suggestion, social pressure, placebo effect, cold reading and magic. The most obvious example of using magic is his trickery with improving/impoverishing eyesight. For example, when Derren makes an audience member 'lose' his eyesight, he simply shows him a different page in the booklet than he showed to the camera and the audience. The words on that page are actually just gibberish and the participant reads them correctly, giving an illusion that he cannot read normally. With the lady who 'regains' her eyesight, Derren simply shows her really large letters.

Con artists doing miracle healing use the magician's tricks of "cold reading" and "hot reading" to put their scams over on the naive people in the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Do you have any questions?

No questions, just that we are running in circles. Why run around the bush when you can give a concise answer?