Quote from: mikeywith on January 06, 2019, 10:34:37 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on January 06, 2019, 03:05:20 PM

just in case you calm down tomorrow and decide to accept the help i am offering you. so i will re-post what you deleted.
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ok bro, let me try to help you with something that might not have crossed your mind before.

and before I do so, i hope you know that i have been here only for a while and i do not give a fudge about any of the members on this forum, neither i am trying to "protect" anyone, but simply stating some numbers here, so before i get accused for being a part of the "gang" i just had to make myself clear.

You're more of a gang wanna be like many other saps. Seems you spend enough time defending the gang and see here again 3 gang members are meriting a post that is riddled with anecdotal experiences and again a faux rebuttal. You see the issue is you do not have the capacity to help me. This only helps in one way to again bring out the gang you are supporting with your faux rebuttal and groundless opinions and to demonstrate that you can not have dim witted imbeciles like them in charge of giving out merit.

Stick with me since I know this could be too long for you to concentrate on

so, I am going to assume that your "theory" about top merited members circulating merit among themselves is true, and i am going to explain to you something based on that theory.

There is no argument that they are circulated. Do you not understand the raw data that demonstrates they lose 80% if you remove just their own merits from them without their fav board merits. The fact you think it is up for opinion demonstrates you have no clue about anything

just because those merit have been "circulated" it does not mean they did so based on a "gang master plan", it is simply because those members are

1- the most active on the forum and the most deserving - says a newbie who does not have the capacity to derive fact from fiction. Who has no knowledge of their prior contributions to the forum which is practically nothing except what a mole. Your opinion of their posts is nothing other than what your mind will allow you to form. This is not the same as analysing the true value of the content of their posts. Have you also analysed the entire boards posts to date?? no you have not
or/and
2- they have the most sMerit so each one of them has a huge chunk of someone else's merit simply because those with more merit will always send more merit than those with less merit ! WTF , complicated ? ok look at my merit fans .

irrelevant information regarding how much they have to send.... also a flaw in the system that they have so much more than others to send with no set criteria

ignore "frodocooper" and "criptix" since
1- they are not on your suspect list.
2- frodocooper is a moderator of the mining board where i am usually active and criptix seems like a daily trader who likes my btcusd analysis and find them useful.

so just for the sake of explanation i'l put suchmoon as my no.1 fan.

it's not because suchmoon gets anything in return for merting my posts, neither he/she knows me " i don't even know if suchmoon is a he or she to begin with" , never had anything to do with him/her.

There is only 1 main reason why suchmoon gave me the most merit compared to the others : suchmoon has the most sMerit among those others who merited my posts ! , and look who is next ! another member of the "gang" .

this is mainly because those people have the most sMerit . i know you could argue about the amount of the merit "they" sent me is nothing compared to what they send to each other, but those merit i got are mainly in a month period of posting, if i keep my post quality the same, perhaps in a few more months i will have maybe a 1000 merit with at least 70%-90% merit coming from the "gang".

and also quite frankly, i do think my merit fans deserve my sMerit the most, i am simply trying to merit newbies and members to "encourage" them , i sometimes see a good post for suchmoon or LoyceV and i end up giving the " a few" merit i have to other lower rank people with quality posts just to help them level up, even though i know this is wrong , but make no mistake, if i see a very high quality post by suchmoon i'l give him/her all the merit at my disposal simply because he/she deserve it. despite the fact that i disagree with a lot of suchmoon points of view specially that to do with "DT TRUST" which i discus with him/her a few times and never ended up agreeing to one another, but long story short IMO those guys are top quality posters and they deserve the merit they got.

i hate to make long posts, and here i am making a wall text, but let me help you even more.

thanks for trying to help but honestly you can not help me in your current state..

Another faux rebuttal.

1/ you are not (visibly part) of the gang so I am not bothered about your example about you... since my point was not in relation to you.

2/ I notice you mention suchmoon gave you more merits which again is probably why I see you meriting other shit posts he is making with false statements that are illogical but you dont again have the capacity to see that .. I mean him stating individuals can not objectively rate their own posts is actually false to a large degree, he means they can not be trusted to because the system is subjective and they can not be forced to. Not to mention why be objective in a subjective system. You are obviously a simple minded individual and that is fair enough because you fit in well with the gang. That however does not mean in any way you have formed some kind of rebuttal to my central point.

3/ more of your anecdotal merit earning history and opinions on things which may seem correct to you and may be correct but do not form any kind of rebuttal to my central point. Go read my long explanation with easy examples so that you understand more clearly before bothering to litter my threads with this junk again.

4/ If you can not be bothered or not capable of reading explanations to HELP YOU understand why you a presenting faux and empty rebuttals then why should I even bother to try and help you?

why not collect shitposts from the "gang members" that was merited by the other "gang members" so that we all know your theory is correct. ?

The majority of posts that they make are nothing burgers. These people hide in merit and discuss their merits and how to endlessly enjoy whack a mole or endlessly defend the systems they control. I mean even if they make a valid point in those threads... the entire threads are worthless. Do you really believe any of these people can contribute to this forum like many of the devs out there that are filling in the missing pieces of this trustless decentralised end to end arena that will change the world... or the people that work to support those projects or people that seek to keep this board open transparent and fair for all and maintain free speech

if you manage to do so , you have a valid point and you got my support against the "gang", but ! if you fail to do so, then those merit were deserved and regardless of their sources your whole argument is wrong.

LOL says who? someone with no idea of what logic and reason ?

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Quote from: cryptohunter on January 06, 2019, 09:58:12 PM

Sadly mikey and suchmoons reply to mikey had to be deleted.
The reason is clear.
Mikey runs around starting conversations then not finishing them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

i finish my conversations, i just don't finish the debate you want to start, you have been debating this topic for ages now, and you have not finished it, how will i make any difference towards the ending of this drama ?

LOL this does not even make any sense. There is no real debate. I just presented some facts that some people did not like. My central points are simply factual observations. The other debates that sparked up just resulted in demonstrating over and over than the gang are a bunch of fools that should not be judging anything or anyone. You came to my most important thread of the year and just made some anecdotal junk post like you just did and derived some strange implied meaning from it that does not exist then tried to say that was a rebuttal. Then ran off when I just tore it to pieces with facts and observable events.

plus, i have more things to do both in life and on the forum than having to reply to every single thing you or any other person say to me,in your topic i even ignored suchmoon reply to my post because i know it was going to be and endless debate with him/her, so i decided not to reply "because i am not obligated to reply to anybody if i don't want it, or if i have no time or mood for it" so it is nothing personal !

No you dont and Don't feel obligated to reply unless you can bring a sensible case for your opinion

also the length of your replies makes it hard for me to follow, i really don't enjoy reading very long posts, i asked you a simple a question, i expect a simple a answer not a very long reply that will take me 30 mins to read, i am a slow reader, never went to English school so i really put a lot of effort trying to read a whole newspaper long reply, if you would sum your question in a line or two i will be happy to answer it " if i have the time and mood for it", i might be on my man-monthly-period and have no mood to reply, this shouldn't make you mad. just move on.

I am bored of explaining it 2x already

i do not understand why did you delete my post, i am really trying to help you and ease your pain, i mean the "gang" are still getting all the Merit despite your trials, so i gave you 2 things to work with.
1- admit to "yourself at least", that your theory is wrong > i explained why do i think their merit were circulated.
2- prove that they "intentionally" circulated the merit among themselves not based on quality post what so ever.

I do not think you have any other options, sorry to say bro, and if you are mad at me for trying to help, i am sorry again, put me on ignore if you wish.

What you think is probably factually wrong most of the time.

I am not interested in if they get all of the merits because merit is subjective and meaningless. I am trying to reset merit and install some criteria to give it meaning and make it observably and unquestionably fairer. The fact you are fighting that demonstrates you do not understand the system or how it works or that you believe by ass kissing the gang you can put the broken system to your own personal gain.

I explained in the last thread why you were deleted. You could have come back with sensible data like the gang members top 10 fans and receivers (SOMETHING RELEVANT ) you did not ... bring them here and we can discuss.

If that was all too long for you then here is something very easy to understand

1. I am pushing to make a subjective system (that by its nature leaves it open to abuse) a more objective one that means it is fairly applied to each member.

2. Even if you do not believe that it is possible for people to act selfishly when there are no rules when there is financial and other benefits for doing so - - that does not mean it is not possible.

3. By trying to defend the current system you are simply fighting against making it a fairer more objective one that has real value and can not suppress free speech. Why would you wish to even do that?

If you do not understand any of that then go back to the thread you ran away from and then take your time reading through it.

If you have questions then come and ask me or post them there.

I suspect you have been INSTRUCTED by your gang idols not to reply to me on meta because they want me marooned out here on rep. That will not work so come back to the meta thread you ran away from and start posting there. I gave this post a 5 min glance and that was more than honestly it deserved. Come back to meta to the thread you seemed to slink away from and continue there. Then I will give it more attention

This post may seem like I am being an asshole to you. I am not. It is simply the nicest way I can put it. Either you are just trolling me or you really do not have the capacity to understand my central point.

I will always reply to you but do not post again until you can bring evidence that refutes what I am proposing needs to be done.I am not interested in anecdotal experiences relating to yourself.

Honestly and I am not being nasty to you. Your posts so far are of negative value and less than that of a spammer. If you do not understand why then read my other thread. It details it for you in black and white. You may not be doing it intentionally and you may even believe that you are presenting some kind of relevant material to my central point. You are not. You are merely obstructing (not greatly of course) the move to a fairer system that can produce some real valuable solid and meaningful data.