Quote from: Anduck on January 08, 2019, 02:21:43 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 08, 2019, 12:33:41 AM

Quote from: Anduck on January 07, 2019, 12:07:51 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 07, 2019, 07:12:45 AM

I count 3890 users with a custom trust list

This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists.

That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists. It is actually a good sign and shows that thousands of people are augmenting DT with their own alterations as advised. I'd disagree with your interpretation and say this is better than I'd thought. I wonder what sort of growth is happening with users augmenting their lists?

I have DT in my trust list, and I use custom trust list, and I am heavily against DT.

Fact is that a really really small portion of forum users have a custom trust list. Quite small amount of users know about the trust system in the first place, but even when that is so, 4000 users having customized their trust list means that users aware of the trust system are clearly not customizing their trust lists.

The heaviest reason to include DT in the customized list is that there's no real reason to remove it as it was there by default. Another reason is that people want to have some sort of overview about what the view is for most of the users.

People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so. There should not be a structure like DT as it skews the whole trust system. Of course people who get something out of it tend to not find any reasons to object it, that's largely human nature. It's exactly the same thing as can be seen in the politics, but maybe by acknowledging it we can be better than that?

DT list is an anomaly in the trust system/network. Such should not exist, because eventually it builds up to be like any other top-down hierarchy as the time passes.

I'm happy to see that the one (also being the only one) who can truly change this DT thing doesn't like how it works either.

The problem with presenting such FACTS in meta is that you are sadly relating this information to

1. people who are already fully aware of this
2. People who are deriving power/advantage from the systems operating in this way.

The REAL members who are likely in their ANN threads supporting their projects or on the btc discussion boards likely do not know about meta. They will only find out about it when they get hacked or something.

DT and MERIT need either to be tightened up and not left open and completely subjective to the point of your like or dislike of LEMONS being responsible for you losing your ability to PAID2POST or trade. Or they need to be abolished.

Need strict clear criteria for both systems. Punishment/removal from position for not meeting that criteria.

Enforcing this criteria would not even be hard. Just produce the criteria and these system controllers will follow it or they will be booted out. No more voting your mates in to collude with you. There is no colluding. There is a mandate. There is criteria set. Follow it or you are gone.

Why will they follow the mandate and criteria set? because they like the power. I have no issue with authority or people having power so long as that power is fairly applied to all members in a manner we all understand. Let them have some power. I mean they are likely to have been bullied and dominated in RL. So on the internets let them have some power for a change. I think everyone should sample different ends of the spectrum in all things.

You will then see red trust you won't have to read to see if they like LEMONS. You will know they have demonstrated behaviour that REALLY will mean they are likely to scam you. Of course if they were stealing LEMONS then that is something you need to watch out for.