Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

Quote from: IdeaMan on August 30, 2011, 07:16:13 PM

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:09:29 PM

Why does this forum attract so many scammers?

Please illustrate the part where this is a scam. Start with the point where people show a loss, and end with the point where I profit from that loss. Be sure to show your work, including the part where I lie or manipulate people to achieve that end.

Some helpful points to consider might be the total transparency of this theory, the result that I am attempting to achieve, and the actual word I have used in the thread.

If you're going to make an accusation that someone is a scammer, be prepared to prove it.

In cases where you accuse someone of being a scammer who is not, be prepared to fail to prove it.

It also may help to read the thread and know what you're actually talking about.

All I need to know is you want people's money,

I've explicitly said that I did not want anyone's money.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

you have no trust verification

No one has asked for any, and I'm new here. What would you like to see?

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

and you could have access to it.

I don't even know which trust verification systems are in place in the BitCoin ecosystem. That being said, I'd love to be a part of them - trusted systems only increase overall stability.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

If you arent a scammer, you would seek to prove the system of trust, you would not assume people will trust in such a system.

Or I would provide them with transparency and logic to earn their trust.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

I dont need to prove anything,

except the things you claim are true.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

you need to prove it cant be scammed.

No system is unbreakable. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to scam you through that system.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

...then we can talk.

We're talking right now. But only one of us is listening.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

You use the same logic all the other scammers have done.

The logic that stabilizing the price makes for a better currency?

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

...such as mybitcoin.com.

They might have taken those BitCoins, let's see what the investigation says before jumping to conclusions.

Quote from: nighteyes on August 30, 2011, 07:27:06 PM

...no, I couldnt prove it was a scam, but guess what? Roll Eyes

It still might not be? They may have actually been hacked - there have been digital attacks against Bitcoin for the last 2 months with increasing regularity. Is it so hard to believe that a high-profile target was underprepared for that eventuality? People are quick to scream "witch" and start to burn each other alive, but bad at looking for answers before they start the fire.

You display obvious signs of confirmation bias, which there is no known cure for. You continue to ignore any of the questions I ask, like how I could possibly be a scammer when I am explicitly NOT asking for anyone's money and demanding a transparent open source bot for a bounty. You act as though your assumption of the truth must be the truth, because you have nothing but your feelings to go on.

I can't tell you to trust me... and I wouldn't It's pointless to ask someone to trust you. I'm just asking you to read the thread before you comment. But jumping to conclusions and name-calling and mud-throwing does nothing for the good of BitCoin as a whole, this thread, or you personally. You can keep trolling if you like, I'll keep thinking.

If you hadn't noticed, the thread isn't about a person, it's about a theoretical bot. Discuss the pros and cons of the bot, or of the underlying idea behind it. Make it stronger or tear down it's weak points. But first read the rest of the discussion before you weigh in. Then keep it on topic. If you think the bot points to me being a scammer, show me, and everyone else, how it would do that. I may not see the way it can be exploited, but if it's pointed out to me I'll help to fix that design flaw.

That's the reason we open up ideas to discussion - to expound upon and improve them. If I wanted to call people names I would go on the MTV forums, Star Trek discussion boards, YouTube comments, or FARK.com, or any of a number of other sites populated with people who expect and enjoy that kind of thing. If you just want to do those things, I would suggest you try those environs - they're a more natural fit for that type of communication.

If you want to discuss BitCoin, there's probably far fewer places better than this board, though. Those of us who wish to have real discussions about it have nothing to gain from users who contribute nothing of value to the forum. either contribute something of value or go hang out on FARK.

So again, how am I a scammer? The burden of proof lies on the accuser. Failure to provide adequate proof for this point just means you're spamming invalid accusations about users you can't even be bothered to read.