Quote from: Spendulus on January 24, 2019, 08:35:42 PM

Quote from: coins4commies on January 24, 2019, 05:09:22 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 24, 2019, 01:00:11 AM

Quote from: avikz on January 23, 2019, 11:50:47 PM

....The way Trump is moving, can actually lead to third world war.

I am curious, can you support that assertion? I have to ask because this is the guy that seems to be heading toward SOLVING the NK problem, and several others.

Trump's biggest problem, the alleged Russian collusion, is actually directly preventing war with Russia. I have no idea how bad the Russia relationship would be right now with an establishment hawk in charge.

No, that makes no sense. Yes, I'm referring to what you said.

There is no chance of "war with Russia." Zero.

There is for warmongers, the possibility of the US supporting a middle eastern country and Russia supporting a different one, and there being a proxy war.

Russia -> Iran -> Syria
US -> Saudi -> Syria

Trump's moving US troops out, not in.

The Democratic alternative, Hillary Clinton, actively talked about war during her campaign.

All Russia is today is an economic adversary, and that to a minor degree. They are not even your friend. They're not trying to spread communism.

I disagree. We may not be overtly at war, but the amount of known, proven intelligence activities by both the US and Russia would amount to what would be considered a "cold war". You dont facilitate propaganda campaigns against "economic adversaries", nor do you get an agent caught holding Russian state secrets when you are dealing with a "fiscal antangonist".

I dont see it as a Repub or Dem fault. It's a executive branch vs legislative branch thing. Before Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, this was a done deal. A resolution passed both House and Senate that would have funded government weeks ago. But Trump rejected it. So here we are.

It occurs to me, given that it will take 3-4 years to build the wall (that's kind by a magnitude) why are we defunding government when we have all the time in the world to solve this during 2019? We are still in court trying to get border landowners to cede land so the wall can even be built (as it stands, it would be impossible to build a continuous wall as the government does not own the land).. why is this such a big deal, that we cant pass a temporary resolution to get folks paid, guys vital to national security like the coast guard, air traffic controllers, the Secret Service?

Trump dug his own grave when he "owned" the shutdown. Despite what radical conservative pundits may say, the majority of polls (from both liberal and conservatively leaning outfits) say the people blame Trump. Not Pelosi. This cant end good for him. Pelosi has demonstrated she will obstruct him (which fills me with a perverse glee) at any cost; either this will go on until he is so unpopular he becomes impeachable, or he will have to cave, as he will get nothing done for the remainder of his time in office if this does not resolve.

Goodbye, the party of Lincoln. You let one guy wreck your shit . Trump accomplished what Democrats have been trying to do for the last 50 years.

it's a shame too. Conservatism is a necessary foil to liberal policies, abalance to check government spending. But you guys gambled and lost with these last few years.