Quote from: BitThink on February 05, 2014, 10:17:36 AM

Thanks a lot, Eid. Your post has the most details and much better than the other side which has only accusations without facts.

Really appreciate if you could answer some questions I listed below.

Quote from: eid on February 04, 2014, 01:04:27 PM

Apparently I haven't explained myself enough and certain people are still insisting that I left because of one reason (emunie corp).
I hope they can understand the following:

tl:dr Dan Hughes cannot be trusted and his project is faulty.

On Trust.

Let's take a look at a few facts about emunie.

1: It has one developer. We have to TRUST this developer that their isnt anything in the code that we don't know about. I do not mean malicious code (although that is possible) I mean code which favours him and makes him more money at the expense of others**. We also have to TRUST that this developer won't roll over at the first threat and create a back door for the authorities, because:

2: It is closed source. We have to TRUST the developer when he says it will one day be released. Many people have suggested having a third party check the source, or signing a contract promising to open source at some point, and they have been IGNORED by the developer every time.

This situation has lasted for a long time already. Therefore, it means you trusted him before. May I know what was the exact reason made you changed your mind?

I'll try and answer your questions, but I fear it's not going to be as clear as you'd like.

There is no exact reason or sudden decision that made me distrust Dan; life just isn't like that which is unfortunate when it comes to explaining it, but preferable when we consider the richness of human relationships.

I've actually always liked Dan, and to some extent, still do. The reasons for not trusting him obviously make me question this, but people are not all good or bad. They're a mixture of sometimes conflicting desires and drives.

When I look back over the time I spent with emunie, there were always doubts in my mind which created a kind of mental fog over the whole thing. I had doubts regarding Dan and also about the system itself. Recently I believe the last piece of the puzzle clicked into place and I saw emunie clearly for the first time.

The last couple of days of being there I was highly confused, constantly debating whether to withdraw my support or not. At some point, the balance tipped and I left.

Since doing so, a lot of the mental fog has gone thankfully and I've got a clearer view of the whole thing. I think I've been guilty of trying to ignore what my conscience was telling me.

The biggest event which made me distrust Dan was obviously the "fuser" hatcher I spoke about above. Why I let this slip at the time, I've attempted to explain above. It's always been in my thoughts though.

There was the pinarello video episode which I found quite sickening actually.

There were other small things which made me doubt his integrity, most of which I have no evidence for, but sewed doubts nonetheless. This includes his complete silence when certain subjects were brought up. eg. Having the code checked by a third party, or signing a contract to open the source after a certain time.

There were also his claims about ways of destroying emu to deflate the supply as a reaction to low demand. You can read about them here:

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1343-what-happens-when-the-demand-dries-up/

Then of course, I resigned, and suddenly found myself being abused for doing so (I assume they thought I wasn't there), not by Dan himself admittedly, but he certainly did nothing to defend us and when I defended myself it got even worse. This was all Visin of course. When I tried to show Visin for what he really was, Dan banned me.

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3: The EDRC: a group of "founders" who will hold the money from the investment for the buffer system and all further development. For this we have to TRUST them (including Visin, Fuserleers partner...see above).

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Same as above, what changed your trust on Visin, Fuserleers partner, ...?

I never trusted Visin. Every time he opened his mouth I felt like leaving. Look at the whole Cossackman episode for an example. He actually bragged about reading other peoples PM's. Ugh. I find Dan's support of him highly questionable.

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4: eMunie Ltd: This is the developer and whoever else is on the board of this corporation (who are they btw?) getting in bed with one of the most ruthless and dangerous criminal cartels in history (Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth II and her government) and agreeing to play by their rules. We have to TRUST the developer when he says he will simply close the company if it becomes necessary.

5: We have to TRUST the developer that his system will work since the core of it is not yet written nor tested and yet he is gathering investments.

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According to all the beta testers, the system works very well. According to you said here, however, the core has not been written or tested. Then what're the functions in the beta test? I was always curious about this, because my application of beta tester was never approved. Moreover, there's no one even post a video about the beta version yet.

There are actually a few videos on the emunie forum which show the features which are working. And they really do work well, no one can doubt that. The exchange is not one of them though. This is really the heart of the system as it sends signals for new emunie to be created and for the buffer system to work. Last I heard, it hadn't been written, let alone implemented and tested.

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I think anyone would agree that emunie is based on a large amount of trust in the dev and his partner. It has been stated that these things are necessary in emunie's case, and to a certain degree I agree with this. What this illustrates to me is that emunie is faulty from the base up.

I have come to believe that Fuserleer does not deserve this trust and this is why I withdrew my investment and resigned as a mod.

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Again, may I ask what was the exact reason made you lost the trust of Fuserleer.

Thanks a lot. I believe your answers will make the puzzle much clearer.

I hope I've answered your questions satisfactorily. I believe I've said everything I needed to and achieved my goal which was to undo the damage I felt I'd done in support of emunie.

I spent all of yesterday defending myself against quite hurtful attacks against my character, from people I thought better of, and it's taken it's toll.

Hopefully now I can let the matter rest.