Quote from: mOgliE on February 04, 2019, 02:05:41 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 04, 2019, 11:38:14 AM

maybe you want to make an actual point?

My only points were:
-Orwell isn't especially against the left, he's against manipulation through language abuse
-No one here is saying we should put the kids in jail except maybe coin4commies

Your whole post is irrelevant concerning those 2 parts.

You didn't say "the left", you said "political". Not sure why you expect me to address what you mean and not what you said. Also Orwell wrote a whole book critical of Communism called Animal Farm so...

Who said anything about jail? Can you even remember your own statements from one moment to the next? Your whole post is just irrelevant, period.

Quote from: mOgliE on February 04, 2019, 02:10:29 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on February 04, 2019, 12:24:05 PM

That's not exactly right. The minute regulation of everyday life which Orwell wrote about existed in Fascist Germany, more recent in Iraq, but not in Spain, Italy or South American countries. However, dozens of communist nations have exhibited this kind of control and for explicitly the reasons Orwell warned.

It's fair to say that totalitarian policies do best in totalitarian countries, which would of course be "left." Where the government owns the sources of information and promulgates what it wants to the people.

It's rather easy to compare 1984 thought police to KGB of course.

But the whole fake Goldstein book in 1984 is denouncing the current capitalist market and the use people in power have of war and consumation.

Orwell is both against right and left manipulation, whatever the source. He denounces both of the extremes and their abuse of English language. That's his main stance.

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Moreover, I find it alarming that Coinsforcommies doesn't even know of the hundreds of threats against the Covington kids. That immediately shows that his news sources suppressed that, thus creating a very different reality which he fell for.

Sure, but I don't know if that's so alarming. Confirmation bias is strong everywhere on the web, I guess we all ignore things that are against our ideas not because we refuse to see them but because we're not even informed they exist.

Your interpretation of 1984 is a stretch at best. Frankly I doubt you have ever read it. Orwell doesn't need to be blatantly for right or left to describe tactics the left are very thoroughly abusing. It is alarming because it means he is actively unwilling to view any information that does not reaffirm his already currently held belief system. This is dangerous because these people then essentially become puppets for the media. Since they are unhinged and excuse violence, this is a real physical threat not only to people who disagree with them, but the entire nation as this pattern of denial of reality combined with the excusing of violence will lead to civil war. The media will continue to hype people up with lies, the left will go too far, and some one on the right will defend themselves and the left will again form more mobs to demand retribution regardless of who is at fault. Then a feedback loop of violence will erupt. That is why this is alarming.

P.S. Speak for yourself. Some of us work very hard at making sure we get diverse views on information. Not all of us are as lazy and uniformed as you, stop making excuses for your ignorance and do something to change it. No one is going to spoon feed you the truth, you have to seek it. Anything blasted in your face has some kind of agenda that is not in your personal interests, because that is the job of the media, to hide embarrassing truths and sell comfortable lies.