Quote from: nutildah on February 10, 2019, 05:49:57 AM

Those who are truly pissed off at bitcoin have jumped ship and promote on-chain scaling like bcash and faketoshi's vision.

It's also worth pointing out that it's not just the BCH/SV crowd who appear to have jumped ship. I often wonder what happened to some of the militant hardcore "1mb forever" fanatics who used to post here frequently but now stay silent? Some of them clearly weren't happy with the capacity increase provided by SegWit. You can tell it's probably the right course of action if the extremists on both sides of the debate didn't like it.

Quote from: franky1 on February 10, 2019, 09:18:37 AM

seems people are not looking at the whole economic gameplay. and just thinking that somehow if they promote LN hard enough some how they will get rich quick by being an LN hub..

Quoted as evidence that you can't even understand people, let alone LN. When you say stuff like this, it just goes to show that you're either making this shit up, or, you genuinely believe the stuff you write, which means that your brain doesn't seem to be wired up the same way as the average person here. That's the only reason I can think of why you are completely incapable of understanding what people repeatedly tell you. It's just one wild accusation after another with you. It couldn't possibly be that ordinary people would have legitimate reasons for wanting LN. There has to be something nefarious at play because that's the only way you can make sense of it with your unique mind. I appreciate it can't be easy to understand people if you are on the spectrum, or whatever it is with you, but please, just stop pretending you know what the rest of us are thinking when you evidently haven't got the slightest clue. There are positives to the Lightning Network. It has support from users, so it's happening.

Quote from: franky1 on February 10, 2019, 05:42:07 AM

every person that WANTS LN are people secretly pee'd off with bitcoin fee's and limited transaction ability... if they were not peed off, and happy with bitcoin. they would not be so hard nose about promoting LN as LN would not be something they would want/need

Said the person in the topic who is most pissed off at Bitcoin because they can't respect the direction Bitcoin users have chosen. You are the one who is pissed off. That's why you dedicate so much time and effort to your misguided little crusade.

And while you have your ineffective little crusade, we have the code we run, which enforces the rules we want.

Code > Crusades

You've made it abundantly clear how you think Bitcoin should work. Come up with better code if you want users to join you on your (currently imaginary and entirely non-existent) network that's apparently so much better than what we're currently doing.

If you don't have code to enforce what you want, then you can't have what you want. It's that simple.

Quote from: franky1 on February 10, 2019, 09:18:37 AM

i digress
who would want to exit LN to the bitcoin network if it cost $2-$50 to do so, yet things like litecoin could be an exit far cheaper for those wanting to get back to a blockchain of sole control of funds(sovereignty)

-digress +derail

And why don't you just wait to find out? Then you can ask all the LN users who don't atomic swap to other currencies. Not that you'll listen to them, of course. They'll give you an honest answer, but instead you'll cry conspiracy and make up some other nonsense that better suits a narrative that will only ever make sense in your head.