You are comparing violence that is against the rules of society with violence by society. Ultimately we control society and the way to change it is to change people's minds. In our societies, the rules we choose are based on commonly accepted ideas of what is good. For example, you can talk about homesteading forever, but if you are being cruel to the animals that you own, society will take them off you, fine you a lot of money and forbid you from owning more animals.
Question: how do you feel about members of a society whose rules I disagree with declaring me to be a member against my will? Because you're arguably about to do that to me.
All rights are social constructs and as such will be messy. We want films so we allow movie makers copyright. We want consumer goods so we allow brand owners have trademarks. We want people to make the most of resources so we allow security of tenure. We don't want cruelty so we confiscate dogs that are being tortured. But we don't care as much if its a dog in a laboratory and we don't care at all if its a rat. Is this logically consistent? Yes - rights are what society uses to achieve its goals and to see them as ends in themselves is to confuse the tool with the task.
I have purposefully avoided the word "rights" in favor of asking how things
ought to be, and honestly I don't feel like you've satisfactorily answered. And if you intend all those "we"s to include me, I resent the imposition. I am and have been a member of many societiesrelating variously to academics, professions, hobbies, and interestsand none of them presumed to include me as a member before receiving my explicit request to join, or to enforce their rules upon non-members.
I do not allow anyone copyright or tenure,
I am not willing to forcefully seize another person's animals, and
I refuse to sidestep guilt by allowing others to do so in my name.
Please, put aside for the moment your understanding of "rights" and answer me both the above question and this one:
Ought possessions be acquired by anything other than homesteading or voluntary transfer?A society that collects stamps is completely different in scope from an entire society such as the English, or the Turks or Israelis. You can choose not to collect stamps. You can't choose the nation/state/society you are born into. BTW, I have moved into American, Turkish and English society so I know what it means to find yourself in a place where the values are alien.
Yes of course. I've had what we call "rescue dogs" which have been confiscated from their owners, neutered and offered to people who want to offer them a better home. My right to live in a society that abhors cruelty trumps the original owners right to beat and starve his dog.