Quote from: Lloydie on February 08, 2014, 12:43:20 AM

Quote from: bobsag3 on February 07, 2014, 08:37:05 PM

Quote from: greenlion on February 07, 2014, 08:27:54 PM

If BA wants to play like grown-ups and have an NDA in effect, then they should've raised the capital themselves to begin with instead of de facto crowdfunding.

NDA of any kind with a project like this is completely unacceptable.

Yet is required by Verisilicon, regardless of funding type.

Then post the NDA. let's all look at it. Please stop posting about fucking cases, nobody gives a shit. We only care that we are losing money. Also, we have no idea you haven't taken over dz coop and basically perpetuated mass fraud on trusting members of the coop. MATT CARSON, remember that fucking name. If you don't go down with this, I will always stay well clear from you, now and in the future.

It's a fair comment. Customers who are being screwed over aren't interested in case designs.

Quote from: DebitMe on February 07, 2014, 04:50:28 PM

Well that is highly disappointing, promises of some big update and news and changes and all we get is the re-seller coming forward with "details" that most of us could have probably guessed. No updates on how to obtain a refund, no updates on where the chips are at, no updates on a better compensation package. Basically every question that we asked was ignored.

AND on top of that, we get informed that it may be another two weeks into May before we receive our miners. Actually now that i think about it, this may not be entirely true. Are they supposed to be at MinerSource within 2 weeks? Or shipped from BA in 2 weeks? Because if they are only shipping for 2 weeks into May, then it could be another week or two until we see our miners due to transportation and customs.

Thank you Bobsag for the expedited shipping, that is an extra day of mining for us, at least its something, but will put a small dent in the 2 months of mining lost to the delay. Bobsag, you seem to be doing a good job speaking on behalf of BA, since they cannot seem to do it themselves, but please comment on if you will allow a refund. A yes or a no is what is needed so that we can explore all of our options. BA says they are working on a better compensation package, but they have said many things and like all of their sayings, I am taking it with a grain of salt that anything better will be offered. And if that is the case, then a refund is the best option for me as well as others at this point. So please publicly state if you will give a refund for those who asked. If it is a problem with you getting the money back from BA, then I do not see what the problem is, since they believe this will still be such a successful launch, then not many people should be requesting refunds and the cost will be minimal. If thats not the case, then we need to know.

What they are interested in is firm delivery dates and refunds. They want refunds because BA have already failed to keep a delivery deadline and they don't trust them to be able to deliver.

Quote from: Lloydie on February 07, 2014, 03:16:27 PM

Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on February 07, 2014, 02:33:11 PM

I've not heard anything officially on refunds yet. In all honesty, I'd wait on asking for a refund till we figure out our best possible compensation package. I'm going to keep pressing that issue with my higher ups.

They didn't even tell you they missed the tapeout deadline. What kind of compensation package can you get? We are about to lose a significant amount of bitcoins no matter what happens next. Unless the chip manufacturing is reversed, this thing is fubar. It will not be competitive versus AM's chips and probably KnC's as well. On top of that it will be TWO MONTHS late.

The offer of 25% cloud hashing doesn't obscure the loss of 75% of the hashing that customers have paid for. This is the '75% scam' that affects all customers because the hardware is unable to be delivered on time.

Quote from: RickJamesBTC on February 08, 2014, 07:24:42 AM

There are so many posts it is impossible to figure out what happened. Did black arrow just fuck everyone for three months from the super duper promised delivery date? Damn I'm glad nobody ever responded to my emails about how to order 20 of the X3s !!!

Yep, everyone got screwed over.

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