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I am agree. Look in chats for example. The team behaves very polite even with some who is really not cool. And they are always willing to help.

I am very grateful to the administrators for their politeness and patience. Not all projects have such admins. But it would be better if the leadership of the Universa more appreciated their token holders. I'm talking about transparency.

They don't give a fuck, they already got their ICO funding. No one holds them accountable but us, because without us, this shitcoin boarding scamcoin wouldn't exist. So when these Bitcointalk accounts owned by the team themselves preach "be nice," and you listen to these top-tier shills and Russian sudo-admins (cryptogirl and hihelen, the other BTT fake accounts got exposed earlier by me and no longer post) they are basically neutering you boys, telling you be calm and nice, you listen to them, and they continue to laugh behind the scenes.

These shill accounts are here for one purpose, to paint a gleaming painting of Universa and to preserve AB's reputation, hiding the true shit this coin is in at all costs, because they are on every page, refuting everything and creating fake conversations. One does not have to look far into the history of Universa to find many flaws, fatal mistakes and continual manipulation. Yes all these points are backed up with evidence.

Or even better, when users get neutered in the telegram group consisting of admins, telling you your opinions about the markets, exchanges, business and etc don't matter, and that everything is ok. I mean, i've never witnessed such lack of transparency from any legitimate cryptocurrency team. Never, from a legit crypto, these are the types of ideas and behaviors that are exhibited by pure scamcoin teams. I've been around long enough to witness these scenarios on multiple occasions.

As i pointed out earlier, they are paying for fake volume to prop up Universa, and that is happening in clear view. Imagine the lengths they are going to behind the scenes with their only hinge point for success, the NDAs (lol.). What an absolute mockery.

So you think everyone who often posts comments without negativity must be shill accounts owned by the team? That's quite a strange logic. Because one can say that everyone who posts negative comments must be a paid fud account.

When i look at post history and that they very first, and last thread they commented on was about Universa, and 90% of their posts are in Universa threads, then I can say with almost 100% certainty that they are shills/puppets of Universa.

One could claim they only are invested in Universa, fine, but i've exposed many of these puppet accounts already, and they haven't commented since that day. There are many more accounts like this, including yours. Paid shills, marketers, accounts owned by the team, the team themselves, admins of Universa and etc for Universa. They are not real or they are/were paid individuals that are/were here to protect the image of the project and AB himself, keeping up the illusion/manipulation behind this project.

The remaining of them (very very few) are absolutely clueless when it comes to crypto, but their voices are magnified because the fake accounts speak to these clueless individuals, quoting them and commenting on their posts.

Are their paid Fudsters, sure, but these are rare occurrences in this day in age. Paid fudsters where very relevant back in 2014-2016, but Bitcointalk has declined quite a bit. We are left with shit ico's pumping their coins with many fake accounts, just like what's happening here.

These things don't happen often for an already dying shitcoin that noones ever heard of. If Universa ever achieves levels of success, then that's when paid fudsters kick in, if it even happens at all.

Okay, but you said that you exposed some shill accounts and they don't post anymore. And just a few posts above yours you can actually see that cryptogirl and hehelen wrote posts. But you just claimed that they haven't committed since that day. Looks like you didn't research good enough here.

Secondly, you say that the team don't care because they already raised funds but then say they have shill accounts. It doesn't make sense. Why would they do that if they don't care? Again, another quite controversial statement from you.

I agree about paid fudsters. That could be but that's rather doubtful (seems more like you expected quick gains but stumbled upon a long term project, hence your disappointment and hatred). But I still don't believe that it's the team's accounts. Universa still has a strong community and people who supports it. And some of those supporters spend a lot of time with the community. It comes as no surprise they post rarely in other threads.

And no, admins don't say that our opinion doesn't matter. I personally frequent their chat and everyone can discuss what they want.

1) You clearly didn't understand and took out of context what was stated by me, and i encourage you, and everyone to look back into this thread, many pages ago, where the list was made. Cryptogirl and Hhehelen are somewhat newer puppets and are being used instead of the ones i called out previously.

koreacryptofan is a puppet/shill aswell everyone, but he wanted to avoid that part altogether.

2) To keep up appearances, so they can have "inflated" community members, just like paying for volume, which they did with Coinbene and just did again on IDCM. Everything is fabricated to create an illusion of something that isn't actually in existence or real. Manipulative efforts, again what i stated above.

3) The failure with Universa has been prevalent for almost a year now, since they launched the mainnet, it's been over a year and a half since i've been here, for the first year i remained quiet and observed. But, things are just getting worse behind Universa, and it's going to take some critical input and realization of the what is and what isn't, to move forward.

Again, all it really takes is some research. I really really hate these forum discussions about this and that, i have to take time to explain to people about the situation, when the situation has been already explained many times, over and over by me and others who have been silenced.

This entire situation with Universa is in a pathetic state, shitcoins with no funding have made more b2b and development progress in the same time Universa has. That should tell you a lot.

According to your own statement for now you just keep talking with "puppets", maybe you would like to ask sth directly?
In our opinion, the biggest and the most important misunderstanding of the project (which actually might be the main reason of this preconceived negative point of view) is that you keep using such terms as ICO and coin.

Universa team has claimed many times: we had TGE - not ICO, we have only tokens and never ment to launch a coin.

You were the only one i had respect for ampirebus. From the whitepaper itself: https://www.universa.io/files/whitepaper.pdf?v=1.5

Even if it wasn't defined so clearly in the whitepaper and virtually elsewhere, anyone can spin words and be politically correct on the definitions, that doesn't change anything. Token generation means Ethereum smart contracts, ICO means a specific coin or "the main" cryptocurrency, can be used for anything regarding cryptocoins, tokens or not. UTN is a shitcoin cryptocurrency, UTNP is a shit"token" ethereum smart contract and Universa acquired 28 million USD from its scam ICO. Scams take on several meanings in crypto, in this instance, it takes on the definition as manipulative, corrupt and frankly not honest/transparent in actions, all in order to cover up malicious business practices.

Let's not also forget, Universa supported already 2/2 scamcoins to "utilize" the blockchain, smartgold and fast? Refresh my memory please, I can't even remember their names, because their so hidden from all discussions and no longer active/easily searchable.

It's funny how everything comes full-circle, i got banned from the Universa telegram group for mentioning smartgold's scam (by some random russian) and what led me to discuss these things on Bitcointalk.

I don't see any exact question or proof that Universa is a scam project. The only thing that is obvious for now is that you are upset with sth and it seems like the idea that your only goal is profit from token speculation was right.