Quote from: CoinCube on March 06, 2019, 04:10:58 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on March 06, 2019, 03:22:25 PM

Nah... I am amazed by all the life that is around us. I do not worship it. I appreciate it.

Life is, just is. Whether I am alive, whether I am amazed by it or NOT. It was here billions of years before me, and it will be here in billions of years after I die.

The difference between our positions is that you focus on the afterlife, I focus on this life when we are alive.
There is no afterlife IMHO. You beg to differ.

You think that the afterlife is more important than this life. That is why you don't value this life the same way I do.

To you this life is worthless, the life in the afterlife is the prize you are after.

The concept of God that you have invented is just mental imagery and feelings you have developed to help you believe that there is an afterlife; the afterlife you so desperately seek.

In this you have judged me incorrectly.

I dont think an afterlife is more important then this life. Any afterlife would be an extension of this life built upon the foundation we create in the here and now.

I also believe you are wrong about the afterlife but even if you are right it would change nothing. God brings goodness into this world primarily via the actions of his children who contemplate him. If God had not yet created the conditions necessary for an afterlife then the sacrifice called for by his creations would be much greater but our duty would remain unchanged. Genesis 28:12 and John 4:38 can give you a hint as to what that duty would be. Fortunately, for us the same text tells us that the necessary price has already been paid.

Ultimately even the afterlife is secondary. What matters most is what we ourselves are and that in turn is driven by what we choose to worship.

Goodness can also be brought by people who do not contemplate God and are convinced that belief in the supernatural is a bunch of horseshit. How would you explain that? LOL.

You have no proof that afterlife or any Gods exist, yet you somehow think you stand on the higher moral ground by having these irrational beliefs.

You are an enigma to me. You seem to understand what I am talking about, but yet have this mental block when it comes to your irrational assumption about the 'creator of the universe who influences the world through the actions of people who believe in him'.

How in the world can you prove that your God influences the actions of people who contemplate him? Aren't hardcore Atheists not God's children? Aren't billions of Hindus or Chinese Buddhists not God's children?