Quote from: sirminesalot on February 07, 2014, 06:58:44 PM

The fact that you think "running this miner is guaranteed to get X amount of dollars over Y amount of time", shows me how delusional you are. There is no way to predict both the difficulty rise or the value of BTC in 6 months. For all you know the bubble can burst overnight and EVERYONE can lose their ass.

Either way, this has nothing to do with them not getting their refund for an undelivered product. Trying to sell your device post delivery on the forums or ebay isn't a guaranteed way to get your money back either; let's not look for alternatives to AMT simply refunding a customer for an unfulfilled order. She shouldn't have to hustle to sell her miner because AMT deemed that her reason for a refund wasn't a good one. WHAT IS A GOOD REASON? My grandmother is sick and needs surgery? The money I used to buy the Miner was stolen out of my Mom's purse?

My house just burned down, so even if I DO receive the miner, I won't even be able to run it? Get real.

Here's a few good reasons to ask for a refund:
1. AMT hasn't proven to me they are capable of running a business properly and I have serious concerns about the product as well as the warranties they offer on my product.
2. By the time I get my Miner it won't ROI and I'll be out my investment.

Your point about refunding BTC is moot, she paid with Wire Transfer.

Since you are so hell bent on defending AMT at every turn, buy her miner off of her now and put the matter to rest. Put your $ where your mouth is.

Speculation is why we purchased the miners in the first place, so it has everything to do with the purchase and relevance.

My speculation is just that. Though an educated one, backed by facts and "previous results". This isn't a stock-market here, or a currency exchange. It is more like a commodity. Fact is, dollars constantly lose value, and commodities, in general require more dollars to obtain the limited supplies.

House on fire... Get fire insurance. Apple wouldn't refund you for the i-7 you pre-ordered either, nor would microsoft for the x-box, nor would your bank give you back a CD at the price you paid.

Your #1 is just an opinion, not backed by anything other than your own speculation.
Your #2 is just more speculation, obviously from an uninformed resource.

I did put my money where my mouth is. Twice, I might add.

For the record... "a few" is more than 2... There are only 4 weeks in a month. That is about 30 days. Like the above stated, buyers remorse is not a "valid excuse" for a refund. Especially on a known risk investment. In a few more weeks, as they stated, a refund would unquestionably be in order. But, as they also stated, the items are on the way. (Shipped and delivered are not the same thing, just in-case you try to argue that next.)

BTW, thanks for the actual law outline. I didn't have time to pull that document with the specifics. However, that actually pertains to "produced goods", not "investments and paid-productions". We paid them to build these for us. We didn't buy goods off the shelf. They also said "expected delivery", which is not a "stone clad shipping date", along with "announced public delays". But that is for a judge to make the final call on. That is how BFL and the other guys actually get away with it. Laws are just a guide, the judge is the final word. (Also on a case by case situation.)

Can we get back on topic now.

I don't defend AMT, I am simply protesting irrational responses in a forum I love to frequent and help. This is not AMT land, this is bitcoin-forums. It is you against the world here. You will never win that battle.

AMT even offered to facilitate the exchange. That is more than any other company has ever done, without pulling teeth. Such a simple and graceful solution to correct another persons buyers remorse. If I still had the money left, from the $24,000 I made off my $2,400 worth of GPU miners I built last year... I would still take that offer. However, I spent my speculations, like an idiot, on other things, after I purchased some THs miners. (Yes, I still mine with my GPU miners, that, at the time, would have been estimated to not ROI for two years. Amazingly, they ROI'ed and then-some, before a year. Just like it has done for the past 5 years, and it will do for years to come.)

That is why I kiss BTC's ass... AMT just happens to be between me and BTC at the moment. I commend them for what they have done, but I am NOT kissing AMT's ass. I don't swing that way. I paid full price, because I believe in supporting those who support us, by delivering. Which is also the reason why I stayed away from the other guys, except KNC.