Quote from: poptok1 on March 15, 2019, 10:25:17 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 15, 2019, 09:40:41 PM

How exactly do you stop such events from happening in the future

Who said we need to stop this madness? We can see that the more we try, the more it's straightening itself.
The only solution is as horrible and terrifying as the discussed event, the NWO... rule of the state not the rule of the jungle?
Take away all freedoms, all rights, all possession, make people exist only for the state, eradicate them of all emotions and reflections with some drug and voila. Prison planet. Do we want this? I say no. Maybe just maybe it's time to give humanity back to human?
We need freedom not less of it, otherwise those events will continue because people are getting scared.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 15, 2019, 09:40:41 PM

what truly motivated them

I know what it was, it's the fear. Scare fuelled by hatred and lacking of appreciation for human life.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 15, 2019, 09:40:41 PM

This was ORGANIZED

Now that's just speculation, just think about it, you are blaming this on some special forces and simultaneously you take away the blame. Besides it is to early to judge, his lousy manifesto stated he is not an agent, that this is self organised and no third party is entangled, maybe except some religious order of self-proclaimed neo-templars. Such voices do more harm than good. No conspiracy is needed there, where "simple" emotions and dread suffice. Let's stay calm and wait how it will unfold.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 15, 2019, 09:40:41 PM

You judge a man by the fruits of his labor, and when every single fruit on the tree is rotten, you need to start asking questions, because that is not organic.

You are exaggerating a little, last I checked 98% of all fruits are perfectly fine, browned and look delicious. Don't get this grim rhetoric poison your orchard. We are better than this, capable of beautiful deeds and sacrifices... maybe this was what was missing that day in NZ?

I think we have a serious lack of communication, mostly as a result of some sort of language barrier I think. You misunderstand, when I say stop these events from happening, I mean understand what causes people to do these things, and try to change the circumstances so that pattern is not repeated. I am pro-gun ownership, I do not want freedoms taken away. In fact my opinion is this was done IN ORDER TO allow freedoms to be taken away in reaction. That was part of my point.

I admit I am absolutely speculating, but I have knowledge of how these types of things operate as I have actively made an attempt to monitor such actions over the last couple decades as well as historical examples. There are several key indicators here that tell me this was organized.

- It was a team of people - most of these types of attacks are individuals
- The death count was exceptionally high, showing proficiency using these weapons
- They have an exceptional understanding of international political issues, as well as US domestic tensions
- They specifically mentioned several cliche 4chan/8chan memes (a major hub of US political dissent), and Candace Owens for example who advocates for the black conservative position in order to associate these groups with violence in order to justify their restriction and censorship

My words about fruit was an allegory or metaphor of judging people by the effects they have on the world around them, not a literal discussion about fruit. I am not taking away the blame from anyone. Nothing I said makes any of this any less horrible. I do however think it is important to point out the very high desirability of such an event from the perspective of powerful psychopaths with unlimited resources in order to push a narrative they benefit from. Every little angle of this event serves to further divide and inflame existing tensions to the point it feels like a movie script because every plot point is hit. This is not how reality works, this is how synthetic reality works.