Quote from: EcuaMobi on March 20, 2019, 05:25:29 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on March 20, 2019, 08:37:24 AM

maybe now more people add more people to trusted lists, so many more people have reputation building or destroying power

I think you have a point regarding the increased amount of people on default trust. I would increase the minimum required to have light and dark green trust.
I'm not sure about requiring 2 negatives instead of one to make a profile red too. An option would be to make it red right away (in case a scammer in action was spotted) but make it neutral again after a while if no other trusted negative is left.

The system is definitely not perfect but it's much better than no system at all or no default trust list at all.

Can you list the pros and cons that you factored into this final statement, because that seems quite doubtful bordering on ludicrous.

You can not possibly allow the formations of sub admin level control systems that are wide open to being gamed, provide reward for gaming them and allow them to crush free speech unanswered.

I'm interested in hearing you out anyway.

You are all focusing on TRUST too much the REAL issue that is stopping the TRUST system from being decentralised is the broken and cycled merit system which is now apparently the TRUST system too.

Bring in some REAL decentralisation (by enabling a few people outside of the observable GANG) and watch these people get kept in line. However, letting them move the key requirements to something THEY control was a terrible error of judgement.

I mean if DT's are not willing to keep to Theymos proposal of red trust being reserved for Scammers or those STRONGLY likely to scam then what is the point of it? I think theymos creates these decentralised systems that sadly rely on people NOT acting selfishly and all doing what he says even when he never backs it up with action. Well, that is never going to work.

The only hope is that as TIME drags on, more and more people will reach the 250 shitty cycled junk merits key positions and they will eventually through mass of numbers stop colluding as one bunch so successfully and efficiently. EVENTUALLY DT's will be kept in line to the point they will get red trusted or perhaps removed. I don't think that will be that useful and whilst we wait free speech is crushed and we are far far far from an optimal environment here.

You could not have a worse start to it all (it is infested with scum that have no care of observable wrongdoing, abuse and gaming it to the max) if it EVER does manage to be more net positive than the net negative aspects and tensions it creates.

Better to have one single entity that sets some clear criteria and kicks abusers off than this drawn out experiment with the board.

Merit is always doomed sadly. To make that some kind of objective, fair and reliable metric is impossible because people simply do not have the same capacity to recognise the TRUE value of a post. Just keep that for preventing bots and account farmers.

Meta is basically 6 groups

1. those that know the systems are broken but pretend they are not so they can keep gaming them and retaining the rewards.

2. those that know the systems are broken but think if they keep feltching the abusers of those systems long enough they will get to abuse them too.

3. those that know the systems are broken but too scared to speak up against the abusers or want to ass kiss theymos because he is the warden of the forum and that he may be offended if the attempts to decentralise control don't work out that well.

4. me - who wants to fair and transparent system for all posters, whom are free to say what they want as long as they bring a sensible reasonable supporting case for it. An environment where just because your views are unpopular they will not be cause to see your account ruined, your paid2post opportunities taken away and your ability to trade crushed.

5. Theymos, who wants to see if it is possible to decentralise control of an anonymous posting forum in a way that prevents net negative behaviour without having serious net negative side effects. Who himself is surrounded by tainted feedback from those 1st 3 groups.

6. Those that have no real clue.

Someone smart here once told me.... I hate those that kiss my ass the most, they are the first ones to turn on you.