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Either, you are shit stirring me or you genuinely cannot see where the analogy leads you...

I leave you with this quote from Einstein,

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"

(and yes, I know there is. no evidence that Einstein wrote or spoke the statement above)

The analogy doesn't make sense, regardless of how many times your insane mind chooses to repeat it. Data can be visualized with highways but it's by no means bound by the same rules as human traffic. If you fail to see this I can't help you.

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Quote from: Phil_S on April 10, 2019, 01:21:35 PM

I have zero faith in cryopreservation.

I have zero faith in "uploading consciousness".

So, if you upload your consciousness... is it really 'you' at that point? Or is it just an exact copy of you, and you are actually dead ? I've actually been pondering this recently, and I can't get past the continuity of consciousness during the upload process, to believe the end result would still be me.

Deep thoughts...

Go play SOMA (or watch a playthrough). Very interesting story which makes you feel this dilemma first hand.

I agree with you that without continuity it isn't you.

What about anesthesia?

Added SOMA to my bucket list.

Anesthesia is like sleep, I don't consider going to sleep the same as dying. What differs it mainly from a mind upload is that your brain processing is continuous and it's not possible for several "instances" of "you" to exist simultaneously and grow apart.

I mean if I copy your brain and place it in a new host body do you expect to wake up in the other body? What if the original body (with your original brain) is revived as well? You would be 2 separate individuals with no direct brain connection.

I think the only way to preserve continuity is through the "ship of theseus" (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) by slowly swapping out parts. So I believe in rejuvenation and transhumanism.

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And really play or watch SOMA. It's awesome.

That's what you say, but how do you really know that the you that wakes up after being tranquilized is the same as the you that went to the doctor? I generally have a hard time finding a distinction between environment and body/mind. On a fundamental level they all seem the same.

For all practical intents and purposes however:

Slowly swapping out parts doesn't cut it for me, since I can't know if there isn't one "tiny spec of me" in the brain that once replaced kills me off without making any trace to external observers. The only way I'd be convinced would be if I could freely swap between digital and physical body, while also having the option to simultaneously perceive both.

What do you mean play or watch by the way? Is there a movie? Which would you recommend?

I don't know for sure whether it's the same me that wakes up as the one that went to sleep. I consider it so, as the mind is continuous (not the conscious mind) and there are no obvious paradoxes possible (such as two versions of me existing at the same time) but I cannot be sure. For practical reasons there is no alternative (not sleeping means death).

SOMA is a video game that you should play. However, if you have limited time or don't like playing you can watch a playthrough and still experience the awesome story and world.