Quote from: hv_ on April 10, 2019, 05:58:21 PM

Quote from: DooMAD on April 10, 2019, 05:41:03 PM

You're welcome to express views that your own personal interpretation of the whitepaper doesn't quite match Bitcoin's current direction. But what you need to remember is that, back when the whitepaper was written, satoshi could not have envisioned the rather obscene pace at which mining effectively became an arms race. Each time the whitepaper refers to a "node", it actually refers to a miner. Satoshi's plan was that users would fall into two categories. Miners and SPV users (just as the whitepaper describes). Satoshi naturally assumed there would be a far greater number of individuals on the network actively mining, but sadly this was not to be the case.

The concept of what we currently call a "full node" or a "non-mining node" simply didn't exist when Bitcoin was first created. Mining became centralised much more quickly than anticipated, so the solution was to offset the power of miners with the balance of non-mining nodes. This gives ordinary users a voice without requiring them to spend a small fortune on ASICs and, most importantly, preserves decentralisation by making it so that a small number of miners wouldn't be able to act unilaterally and impose changes that users don't want.

If you're going to make statements about how consensus works when using the whitepaper as your primary source, this is the kind of thing you ideally need to keep in mind. Things have evolved considerably since 2009 and there's far more nuance to factor in now. It's not nearly as clear-cut as you might think on first impression.

I know how Segwit evolved and that is not Bitcoin, same LN is sth different.

Bitcoin is clearly defined and has only one legal relevant spec. And its not just a ticker

U will wake up when ur very private btc will not be globally treated as Bitcoin, but as a Segwit altcoin fork, what it is.

Oh, I see, you're one of those people. You believe all that guff anonymint used to post before they got banned for being a disruptive troll. Yeah, hate to break it to you, but he was nuts. Like, fully unhinged. If that's what you choose to believe, then you're clearly not going to listen to sane people. Best of luck to you, I guess.

Quote from: Khaos77 on April 10, 2019, 06:11:27 PM

The thought that non-mining nodes hold any power on the network is pure and utter nonsense.
They do nothing except give the manager of said non-mining node a warm fuzzy feeling that has no value in the real world.

Speaking of the fully unhinged, what fresh lunacy is this? Even franky1 wouldn't say anything that stupid.

Foolish people have been making the claim that non-mining nodes don't matter for years and no one in their right mind has believed it so far. Why do you think you're going to succeed in spreading falsehoods when others before you have failed so spectacularly?