Quote from: ChuckOne on February 10, 2014, 08:33:14 PM

Quote from: sepehr on February 10, 2014, 06:44:33 PM

Quote from: ChuckOne on February 10, 2014, 03:42:09 PM

Quote from: ZeroTheGreat on February 10, 2014, 03:39:57 PM

Quote from: sepehr on February 10, 2014, 01:57:45 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on February 10, 2014, 01:30:36 PM

Quote from: sepehr on February 10, 2014, 01:28:40 PM

But it is not fair!

What r u talking about? Nxt offers the most fair way.

It's more fair if we pay the transaction fees directly to server operators.

Do u think there'll be better security if forgers'll get nothing for their job? I don't think so. There'd be forgers competition for fees and best possible decision to secure network (protected public node with wide bandwidth and skilled operator cost some resourses).

Remember, forging - way to secure system. Only then, may be, business itself.

Exactly. Leave forging the way it is. Competition is good.

Can you please explain what job a forger doing other that unlocking his client and leaving the software open?
But the network is not just these nodes! the network needs servers that is now working by donation! IMHO that is not fair!
Just my opinion!

I'm personally may open a client to forge, but why should I arrange several servers/ VPS around the world to Handle the network? Just because I'm a Nxt holder? Just because donations?

That is not enough for long term plan!

Okay, I do it:

The forger:
- has to have a client
- risks all his stake if the client is malicious
- risks his hardware if the client is not secured against malicious attacks
- has to pay the electricity bill
- has to pay for the hardware/renewal of such
- has to pay for a place that hardware can exist in
- has to pay for the bandwidth he contributes to the network
- has to implement security measures (attacks, heat etc.)

I think there is pretty much at stake, literally.

So, forgers should be paid for their expenses. But nothing more or just a little bit of it.

As I said, I see forger as an equivalent to bankers with a most important difference (both keep the system running):
- forgers do the least what is necessary to sustain the system - verifying transactions and doing all the hard computational work
- bankers generate the drive to keep the system running by generating money and debts (watch the videos of freigeist) and therefore creating the urge of the society to drive forward, work and repay debts

Bankers have the unfair advantage of creating and manipulating the ways the system works. They therefore make profit at the expense of others.

Forgers can't and therefore don't. BUT they have to be compensated. The (compensation - expenses) should be close to 0 but maybe bit more to create incentive for people to join and explore the possibilities of NXT.

When Account Controls are implemented, I imagine you can simply lease a "puppet" account your forging power. So you could have a 10mil+ NXT account forging through an account with 1 NXT, so the only risk you take is is the 1 NXT.

It's a tradeoff. If your business relies on NXT being healthy, then you have a very good reason for forge. If you're simply a user with a small balance, but you aren't really affected by hiccups in the service, then obviously you wouldn't forge.

Tbh, I think the rewards justify forging, although it may seem not to be so. For example, if you hold Bitcoin, you are paying a ~10% inflation tax every year. Your stash is literally generating -10% BTC a year.

In NXT, your stash (according to jL7777) appreciates by 0.5% a year. This is a +10.5% difference vs. BTC per year.