Quote from: 4v4l0n42 on September 05, 2011, 12:11:58 PM

Is it morally acceptable to rape and torture somebody until they die?

Morally acceptable to who? To me, no.

Quote from: 4v4l0n42 on September 05, 2011, 12:11:58 PM

Can't you tell if that objectively increases or decreases well being?

Define well being. Do you mean having a pulse? Do mean some internal feeling of happiness on their part? If it's the former, I can easily check a pulse. If it's the latter, only that person knows how they feel.

I'll point you to the case of Armin Meiwes & Bernd Jürgen Brandes which I find horrifying but also a good example.

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Looking for a willing victim, Meiwes posted an advertisement at a website, The Cannibal Cafe, whose disclaimer mentions the distinction between reality and fantasy. Meiwes's post stated that he was "looking for a well-built 18 to 30-year-old to be slaughtered and then consumed". Bernd Jürgen Brandes then answered the advertisement. Many other people responded to the advertisement, but backed out; Meiwes did not attempt to force them to do anything against their will.

As is known from a videotape the two made when they met on 9 March 2001 in Meiwes's home in the small village of Rotenburg, Meiwes amputated Brandes' penis and the two men attempted to eat the penis together before Brandes was killed. Brandes had insisted that Meiwes attempt to bite his penis off. This did not work and ultimately, Meiwes used a knife to remove Brandes' penis. Brandes apparently tried to eat some of his own penis raw, but could not because it was too tough and, as he put it, "chewy".

Apparently, being tortured and murdered increased Brandes' well being, if you define it as his feeling of happiness.