Quote from: suchmoon on April 19, 2019, 04:17:27 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 19, 2019, 02:40:33 AM

Their behavior, from the public point of view, somewhat resembles a shakedown that would be seen from the public point of view. They might not have been as explicit as they were in trying to extort zeroaxl because it didnt go very well.

Although zeroaxl was not flaunting his money around, it was no secret he had some coins. Similarly, it is well known that OgN is an early adopter of bitcoin, although I have no idea how many coins he has.

Most of the people involved are known to do whatever they want without consequences and to have no morals. It should be noted that there isnt any reasonable basis for the smears these people were saying and there was no claim any of them had any nonpublic information

It's good to see that you don't even pretend to have any sort of consistency in how you evaluate OgNasty's actions vs actions of those whom you dislike. You're just rationalizing anything he does, no matter how petty it is. There was no "shakedown" in eoakland's case. User posts in OgNasty's thread (a favorable post BTW). OgNasty blows a fuse for some inexplicable reason and neg-trusts the user. User disputes the rating. After some back-and-forth and some fumbling trying to sign a message, the user finally disproves the original excuse for the neg trust (being a bought account). OgNasty finds a bunch of other reasons to be insulted and to keep the neg trust.

Perhaps there is some convoluted way to explain this one instance, but when that happens repeatedly - e.g. when minifrij misunderstood Og's post and instead of "no, that's not what I meant" he got neg trust - you gotta start recognizing the pattern. Well, not you, but anyone who doesn't have their head so far up Og's ass.

I am saying all of the people in question are very deserving a negative ratings.

I would be surprised to see that it just so happens that a close nit group of people, all of which have a history of extortion just so happen to all have constant run-ins with OgN. With the exception of eoakland, the underlying root cause may very well be an extortion attempt, as according to OgN, their extortion attempt was related to harming his reputation. Even if this is not the case, they are all criminals, and others should be warned.

In regards to eoakland, I perhaps disagree with the stated reason for the rating, but it is perhaps possible, given his history of extortion, after his initial run-in with OgN, one/more member(s) of the group of extortionists approached eoakland to help with their apparent shakedown. Regardless if that actually happened, he did try to extort Johny1976 in 2015, according to Johny, which looking at the evidence looks to be true.

It is pointless to dispute the "reason" for a rating when the underlying negative rating is appropriate. It is ridiculous to give the OP a negative rating for repaying a loan late when it is repaid, with penalty interest -- the negative ratings he received for this was really little more than a bunch of people wanting to show him who is the "boss". However his patterns of taking out loans of increasing sizes, with an attempt to take out of $10k (EUR) loan is consistent with an attempt to pull an exit scam, although perhaps this may be re-evaluated in the future.

Another good example of ridiculousness of those in charge of the trust system is this guy, who posted about a giveaway being done by a company he likely doesn't have any affiliation with. Many people piled on with negative ratings after he was unable to produce proof of funds, and he was laughed at when he tried defending himself. It took me not more than 15 minutes of research to determine that the company hosting the giveaway reasonably does have the money to payout the giveaway, research that no one giving the rating even bothered attempting. He locked his thread disputing his rating, but I am going to guess he has abandoned his account and probably the forum, really for no reason, or at least no legitimate reason.

Quote from: OgNasty on April 19, 2019, 05:44:45 AM

suchmoon, [...] Maybe if I talked with you a bit and got a chance to know what you do for Bitcoin outside of posting on this forum,

I am fairly confident she does not do anything for bitcoin off the forum....or on the forum for that matter.

This is also true for Vod, all he does is troll transparently obvious scammers who frankly don't have any real chance of stealing anyone's money. I somewhat suspect some people create newbie accounts to "attempt" obvious scams they know vod will see - and troll - just for the lulz. I suspect the number of people he has actually helped is fairly small.