Quote from: coins4commies on April 22, 2019, 05:48:37 PM

None of these ideas were created by AOC. You guys do realize that people in congress create legislation, not ideas, don't you? The green new deal dates back to the 2000s and all of the ideas in it are research based and have been around much longer. AOC is simply the acting salesperson.

Not only is this all feasible/non-fantasy, its all been done before and is being done in other countries. Anyone who has done 30 seconds of research would know that something like medicare4all is not only proven feasible, but also proven ideal. It sucks that there are a lot of smart people out there intentionally spreading misinformation to people who won't bother to do the basic research before regurgitating such lies.

Its all eventually going to happen for sure but the question is "how much damage are we going to allow before we make the shift?" It should have happened in the 90s, was due in the 2000s, is urgent in the 2010s, and the 2020s is our last decent chance. It would be a shame to make all of these changes in the 2030s after hundreds of millions have been displaced and entire ecosystems have permanently collapsed but that is what is at stake.

Quote from: edmundduke on April 21, 2019, 06:13:22 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on April 21, 2019, 12:44:39 PM

Quote from: edmundduke on April 21, 2019, 12:36:15 PM

The stupidity she brought onto the table is on a whole other level, same for the other "fresh faces" of the democratic party. They are what i would call clickbait in a human form. They spew bs that has literally no way of coming to fruition nor is it thought through or consistent. People like her is the reason Trumps gona win again lol

Exactly, after planting a fantastic vision in peoples' heads, and after getting elected, then it's the same old song with new players.

This is also called politicians lying.

Simpe as that.

Yup also the way she got elected is god damn absurd. Even Peloci sayd that you could essentially take anything, even a cup and put D next to it and it would win in that district. But social media is blowing it all out of proportions, same as it does with the far left coverage. Theres a very vocal minority that is pushing this progressive narrative but luckily the majority of people are still sane Cheesy

by majority of the people, do you mean the 19% of the people who do not support the green new deal?
https://www.ecowatch.com/green-new-deal-voter-support-2623737355.html

What you have there is a survey that says 81% of totally uninformed people like good things. Surveys are not science. Surveys as any scientist knows are totally able to be manipulated top to bottom. I don't even think you read your own source, because if you did you would see it all it proves is people like nice things.

Make sure you read the fine print of the question they asked.

"Some members of Congress are proposing a Green New Deal for the U.S. They say that a Green New Deal will produce jobs and strengthen Americas economy by accelerating the transition from fossil fuels to clean, renewable energy. The Deal would generate 100% of the nations electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years; upgrade the nations energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure; increase energy efficiency; invest in green technology research and development; and provide training for jobs in the new green economy. How much do you support or oppose this idea?"

Oh that's right, the question was phrased in such a way as to create the pretense that it is a given this plan is viable and nothing more given. Additionally from your own report you will see the majority of the 966 respondents have never heard of the deal, which means no one had any idea what they were saying yes to.

Well would you look at that? It seems nearly the EXACT number of people who have no idea what it is also support it. WHAT A COINCIDENCE! By the way, the number you meant to say was 18%, I know the dying 3 legged hamster in your brain is going "HEY BUT THAT ONLY ADDS UP TO 99%!". This is what people who know how to actually read statistics call a margin of error. In summary top to bottom your entire statement is wrong. Just because you want something bad doesn't magically make it scientific. Go back to grade school Captain Postmodern.