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Quote from: Artemis3 on April 23, 2019, 09:37:09 PM

And they can't. First thing that happens when socialists get the power, is dictate rules for everyone else to follow. No they don't ask everyone, and even if they do, the "minority" is irrelevant. Social struggle is their belief, not peaceful resolution as done in a free market society with every transaction...

A small group ends "leading". Its a natural transition from the communist party organization, they don't believe masses can "do revolution" without leaders, they HAVE to lead. And once they get into power, this thinking remains and is put in motion nationwide.

Which is how you end with, all the "failed" attempts in human history...

Yes, they would give you this fake rhetoric/facade: "power to the people", but we the people will follow our loved great leader... They "replace" the wealthy group they accuse of everything, and after taking all their possessions by force (sometimes distribute a bit but keep the best for them) take their place as the leading "nomenclature" or party officials or revolutionary whatever.

I used to get offended but other topics have made me realize where this misconception comes from. The same logic that allows you to think a person calling themselves muslim and killing people makes islam bad also allows you to think this sort of thing makes socialism bad.

I don't know how to help you understand that individual actions and ideology are not the same thing.

Quote from: Artemis3 on April 23, 2019, 09:37:09 PM

And it always degrades into something resembling a monarchy, just look at north Korea: hereditary leadership like the absolute monarchies of the past (who ruled from that very city of Pyongyang).

You need to understand that DPRK is not a product of natural 'degradation' but rather a direct creation from outside interference. The PRK was the original, socialist government before the US murdered most of the leadership. Some of them escaped to the north and the USSR coopted their movement and created the DPRK as a combative, oppressive counter against American/capitalist aggression.

All you have done is told us that socialism doesn't work with capitalist interference or cooption.

How evolved you have become! You are capable of having retarded delusions without being offended when they are challenged. MUCH SUPREMACY!

Your logic allows you to believe that ideology has no effect over these individuals, because you prefer to claim any positive aspects and disown any negative aspects of the ideologies you propagandize. I don't know how to help you realize ideology is the basis for all actions. Again, everything bad is the fault of capitalism, and everything good is socialism. Lets just ignore that socialism creates all of the factors needed for a dictatorship to take control. There are never socialist nations formed without other capitalist nations existing, therefore your analogy is bullshit because in order for it to be valid would require the total removal of capitalism globally in order for you to call socialism socialism. All you have done is told us that socialism requires impossible to meet standards in order to function.

No its more about the power dynamic. If the US was socialist, capitalist countries would not be able to assert their will over it because of the military power. Obviously nothing works when it is crushed. Whoever has the bigger stick gets to right the rules but that doesn't mean might is right. Being decent towards other people's lives is not an impossible to meet standard and 100 years from now, people will probably look back on today and wonder how the world could have been so savage.