Quote from: togoshigekata on May 16, 2019, 12:42:37 PM

If its silly to debate opinion, then why do you keep debating?

The data is that Rob only owns ~20-25% of masternodes, but somehow in your mind, this means he is in control

Im not sure how anyone who owns 25% of anything is in control of it?
If I own 25% of a business, am I in control of it? No

Its a silly opinion to have, and youve gone down a silly path of weird definitions to push your opinion

I believe in your mind that you cant believe that there are other people in the community who actually support proposals that Rob supports

Have you unknowingly surrounded yourself with only people that share your opinions?
Do the messages from other community members you see only represent a subset of the community?

You act as if you speak for everyone else in the community, You do not

Like Ive said before, there are many in the community who lurk, who dont talk, who are in the background, but yet you speak for them? You do not

Your business analogy is not that relevant. We're talking control, not ownership. I'm not sure how at this point anyone is not calling this a monarch coin. I'm OK with that, but it is so strange to me that anyone would say Rob doesn't exert an incredible amount of influence over the coin. In fact, if it wins or fails, it's pretty much his doing. He seems to control the direction a lot. He pushes his agendas, and seems to decide which direction things should go. Will anyone here describe Rob as open-minded, mellow, and deferring? No, he's a classic Type A personality. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it's so obvious to observe I'm unsure of how to debate a dissenting view.

The "Have you unkowningly surrounded yourself with only people that share your opinion?". That's a pretty funny projection. That's' the problem here, there's no real disucssion other than pro-Rob or anti-Rob. As a community, we really don't have much power. Even if we vote to go a different direction, Rob has stated he would quit. If the lead dev quits, the project is dead. That sounds like control to me. If anyone else quits, it's recoverable. If Rob quits, it's not. Not much of a choice when it comes down to it.

The assumptions and attacks on whether someone speaks for the community or not is ridiculous. We all have a voice, and trying to silence one says a lot. Communities that allow themselves to be torn apart and the monarch exerts control, usually die from lack of community support. This is just my observation from watching a whole lot of failed projects.

It doesn't matter how many lurkers there are. No one can guess that or speak to that. But one thing is clear, however many of them there are, they sure aren't buying the coin. Instead of pointing fingers, what is your idea Togo to get people to buy the coin. All this philosophy you and sunk are engaged in is empty if the coin ends up in the toilet like so many others. If we cared about the coin more, we'd address this issue instead of these debates.