Quote from: suchmoon on May 20, 2019, 07:39:51 PM

1. That's been implemented via signature bans. Global mods can decide if they give a warning (sig ban) or not.
2. No. Spam is not a trust issue.
3. Meh. It's already quite meaningless without proper enforcement.
4. No. Enforcement of forum rules should not be subject to voting.

Quote from: 1miau on May 20, 2019, 07:30:43 PM

old members who are contributing good discussions are kicked because they forgot to post a link when BTC was around $200.

I don't think that's true.

Today tyz got banned, he was registered since 2013 and a very constructive poster. I haven't any infomation what he copied exactly but such cases are very irritating. I think he was a Merit source, too. We don't know who's next. Cheesy

Same applies to bittawm, Acura3600 and cellard or some older cases like tvplus006 and RegulusHr. The list can maybe continued, some of them are mainly active in their local board and we won't notice it here that they are a loss.

About the rest: yes, currently no plagiarism is a forum rule and that's why it's not handled by the cummunity. In my impression for example a vote could help to judge for the global mods if a forum member is useful. They can still decide if they take the poll into account or not. Final decision would be up to them.

Quote from: Lafu on May 20, 2019, 07:55:49 PM

10 warning points is bit to much for copy and paste , would say 2 because wit should keep the rules in some way !

A very clear plagiarism post could result in several points. It's just to weight different "plagiarisms" with a different amount of plagiarism points.

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2019, 07:58:57 PM

Okay to jump on this bandwagon I got an email 5 minutes ago.

Here is a cut and paste of it.

"Bittawm's Bitcointalk Account
Monday, May 20, 2019 2:59 PM

....

Thanks for that, exactly such cases. It's hard for me to imagine that members like him did intentional plagiarism.

Quote from: LoyceV on May 20, 2019, 08:18:27 PM

A warning system is/was useless for the spambots that copy/paste, use text spinners and used homograph attacks (this last one is no longer possible).

Spambots can be banned right away, I'm not a global moderator but I think there should be a difference to detect if the user is a spambot or not.

Quote from: LTU_btc on May 20, 2019, 08:50:38 PM

1. I think that signature bans is right punishment. I don't think we should tolerate copy-pasters up to certain level by giving them warning points.

In my opinion the general problem is that we merge shitposters and constructive users when we define plagiarism. There are different levels how useful the users are and the results are often the same for spambots and at least some halways decent posters. At least there are sigbans now even if that's still a big privilege.

However the suggestions are just what came into my mind when I thought about how to improve the current situation, I just wrote them down. It's clear to me that changes would take a long time if the forum administration consider them as useful.

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 20, 2019, 10:15:54 PM

Since we're discussing alternative to the current punishment I second this

Quote from: suchmoon on May 17, 2019, 10:12:02 PM

(or deranking to Newbie) would be even better so that they would have to earn their way back.

this will reduce the rate of creation of alts by banned members

That's also a good solution, instead of a permanent ban we can delete all their Merits and they have to start again from 0. If they are constructive they can prove their value for the forum.