Quote from: Steamtyme on May 24, 2019, 08:13:45 PM

Quote from: erikalui on May 24, 2019, 05:51:09 PM

So another way of giving SOME users an advantage over the others like DT and most merited members? Why? Other members have no right to use the marketplace of bitcointalk and prevent spam?

Maybe you think or see a ton of threads I miss where legit users are in need of this feature. Feel free to point them out. The point of this topic was not to dismiss the idea, but bring the discussion centered around this point to one place for review and discussion. Who's to say getting whitelisted wouldn't be a painless process, is the unknown of how the system rolls out enough reason to discredit it before it's trialed?

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Moderators don't remove posts that appear "harassing", "trolling", "personal attacks" and so on. Even doxxing is allow and only SPAM posts are deleted so no point of the @bold.

They do remove off-topic. Most are also smart enough to distinguish when someone is only attempting to appear on-topic.

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The scamming problem is a problem the DT members deal with. If you find anything fishy, report to them.

Not going to go to deep into DT as that tends to derail a discussion. The problem there is it's a rotating system, or is designed to become one. In this case you might need to encourage the multiple tags, or continuously seek a new DT to tag an account if the last one is no longer on the list. Again not a solution just a band-aid.

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 24, 2019, 07:39:30 PM

This has been discussed adnauseum. You aren't the first one to think this is just an oh so simple fix.

Feel free to point me to any of the threads that had an indepth discussion about this, and reasoning behind the decision to keep it in place. I looked and couldn't find it. I never stated that I recently had the most original thought and simplest of fixes. I don't get the comparison to sidewalks maybe that works for some but I think we can find enough examples within the marketplace to have this discussion like below.

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One common example is any time you list a gift card, even at cost, there are always 100 cunts demanding you sell it under cost because there are 500 people selling stolen gift cards and they think that is the going rate. This is just one example. These features were put there for a reason. You need to find another solution to these issues other than just stripping features one by one because you personally don't find them useful.

You're right so again for this person who wants to sell their giftcard. Might be helpful if these "cunts" didn't have 500 locked/selfMod topics to compare against for a price cut. That might be more helpful for that person as opposed to lumping them in the same group and forcing them to hide in one of these topics, cutting off open communication with legit buyers to avoid the trolls.

Again I would see this as a case to be made for it being a feature that one could be whitelisted for.

So for anyone opposed to this feel free to bring your ideas to the table. This is a discussion and I welcome all opinions and input, I just don't feel the "That's how it's always been" to be a compelling reason to not try or explore other options.

Quote from: akamit on May 24, 2019, 08:03:48 PM

I always make sales threads with self-moderation enabled because of three reasons mainly,
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And given your history and use of the system you would be someone that would look to be whitelisted. I envision a pinned topic where people can post seeking to be whitelisted, might be congested at first but after the initial launch would die down considerably.

Moderators are often slow to act and have very little incentive to clean up everyone's marketplace threads. This was in fact part of the reason it was implemented in the first place to allow users to police their own sales threads and free up moderators for more pressing matters. You don't see a ton of people advocating for this feature BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE IT. What would be the point of being like "OH HEY I just wanted to make a post voicing my support for the existing system we already have! its great thank you!" /end thread. ?

I don't have time to do your research for you sorry. Just take my word this has been discussed over and over and over again. Or don't and actually spend the time yourself to dig those threads up. I have no reason to lie about this. This has been a debate since day one of self moderated threads and even before in some contexts. Removing self moderated/locked threads is not going to get rid of fraudulent gift cards or other fraud. It existed before self moderated threads and it will continue to exist no matter what features you strip from the contributing members of this forum.

This hasn't just "been how it always has been", I was around before self moderated and locked topics and market place, and it sucked having to constantly beg moderators who often don't give a fuck about your ability to make a sale ignore your reports perpetually and having every thread shit on with people either posting their own products for sale, trolling, trying to brow beat the price down, or saying stupid shit like "oh Wallmart has it cheaper here "LINK". Nothing is stopping you from negative rating abusers of these features or making threads in scam accusations.