Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 29, 2019, 09:15:23 PM

While it is in my best interest for Hhampuz to be criticized and attacked, I think this attack is bullshit. Whatever deal between bestmixer and Hhampuz is between them and them alone.

You are wrong. If you are aware of someone taking advantage of someone (especially when the person being taken advantage of is in a position of weakness), or that someone is misappropriating someone else's money (especially when the person is not in a position to speak out), you have a moral obligation to call out the person.

There are many situations in which a victim is not in a position to complain because the thief owes him additional money, is holding something else over the victims head, or the victim is otherwise vulnerable.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 29, 2019, 09:15:23 PM

You have no right to try and smear the guy just because you're pissed off over the livecoin issue. Read all the campaigns rules from all the reputable managers on the forum. They all pretty much state, they can remove you at ANY time for ANY reason.

This is off topic here, but I will address this.

1 - this has nothing to do with getting fired by Hhampuz. I have no problem criticizing anyone, regardless of any business relationship, and if I had still been in the campaign, I would have been willing to get fired for calling out Hhampuz two weeks later for calling him out on this embezzlement. If I was in one of your campaigns, and I was aware of similar activity by you, I would not hesitate to open a similar scam accusation, although before doing so, I would first ask you what happened, and give you the opportunity to address what happened before putting you on blast.

2 - You are absolutely wrong. This is regardless of any "terms" any campaign manager puts in their campaign thread. A campaign manager has an obligation to his client to maximize the long term value of the advertising dollars of his client. If a campaign manager does anything other than any action that (he in good faith believes, and has good reason to believe) maximizes the long term value of the advertising money he is spending on behalf, he is either corrupt, engaging in nepotism, or both.

If you disagree, or if you want to discuss 1 or 2 further, we can move this to PM or to a new thread, as this is off topic in this thread.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on May 29, 2019, 09:20:51 PM

~snip~

Hhampuz was not contacted through an intermediary to return the excess funds. He would have no way of verifying the validity of this type of request, and the timing would not make sense.

Quote from: suzanne5223 on May 29, 2019, 09:44:14 PM

Quickseller,
I actually the message you posted on bestmixer campaign thread but i think is too early to say Hhampuz embezzled best mixer fund for the people who can actually claim that are nowhere to be find and the reason why Hhampuz moved the fund through Chip mixer doesn't mean he embezzled either for he done for his personal reason. However, if best mixer representative ask of the fund and Hhampuz don't provide it then we can be sure.

If BestMixer has not yet requested the money be returned, Hhampuz should hold the money where it was. When you are dealing with other people's money, you do not get the benefit of the doubt, and you must remain transparent.

Quote from: posi on May 29, 2019, 09:54:50 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 29, 2019, 08:23:29 PM

Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:

Quote from: Hhampuz

and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.

I was one of the best mixer campaign participants then and I could remember Manager Hhampuz said he ask BestMixer people to let him and them get in touch through a better means rather than using the forum only which they insisted sending PM is the only means of communication they are Ok with.
Therefore, Hhampuz shouldn't be blame for moving the remaining BTC since none of the best mixer step forward by now.

The operators of BestMixer being in jail or otherwise unavailable to request the money be returned is not a reason for Hhampuz to keep the money for his own personal use.

Quote from: malevolent on May 29, 2019, 10:09:01 PM

As long as Hhampuz continues to have access to the campaign funds for a reasonable time (or is able to return the money from his own pocket to the person/people behind BestMiexer if they return within a reasonable timeframe, especially since it seems no arrests have been made), I'd say there's no basis in labeling him as a scammer.

If Hhampuz had lost access to the bitcoin due to his own incompetence, such as loosing access to the keys, having the bitcoin stolen via malware, having the bitcoin otherwise stolen from him, I would agree that Hhampuz could return the money out of his own personal funds, but only as long as he is transparent with what happened, and that he is publicly promising to repay what he lost.

Hhampuz moved the bitcoin to what I believe to be ChipMixer, which is what I believe to be prima face evidence that he is trying to hide the money so he can use it for his own benefit. Further, it is not known that Hhampuz still has access to the bitcoin, and he has not stated he will return the money if BestMixer returns and asks for their money back.

As stated above, when dealing with someone else's money, you should not get the benefit of the doubt, and you should maintain transparency.

Quote from: hd49728 on May 30, 2019, 03:46:24 AM

Best Mixer: their site suddenly seized and there is no way to contact with them. So, how to send rest fund back to Best Mixer?

If Hhampuz cannot send the money back to BestMixer, he should not move them, and use them for his personal benefit. He can hold the coins in the address where he was paying out campaign participants.