Quote from: yefi on June 09, 2019, 12:48:16 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 08, 2019, 09:26:16 PM

The 1800 BTC loss made up 20.96% of clams, if they were bought at the high. In other words, you could spend 1800 btc to buy 20.96% of clams outstanding at the high price. At 2.5x leverage, Poloniex's customers need to have collateral valued at 40% of margin loans outstanding, calculated by x = 1/2.5. 40% of 20.96 is 8.38, so an additional 8.38% of clams outstanding would need to be used as collateral for an 1800 BTC margin loan, bringing the total to 29.34% of clams.

I believe the above is actually how the margin system still works on Poloniex, and this actually results in traders being able to get 3.5x leverage, because they can use 1 BTC to buy 3.5 BTC worth of a position if the collateral is the same as the trading pair. I was able to replicate my mistake in saying that 35% of clams outstanding were used in margin loans plus collateral by incorrectly assuming a total of 2.5x leverage, or borrowing 1.5x the value of the clam collateral, or having equity of 60% of the margin loan.

Thanks. I see from your calculations that Clam would be treated as having zero value. That would tie in with my equation where 1939 is replaced by 0.

It is possible there was a higher percentage of clam in margin long positions and serving as collateral. I think most likely, Poloniex initially automatically market sold some margin long positions, stopped this, and sold the remaining clam held in customer accounts in margin long positions via an OTC trade.

Quote from: countryfree on June 09, 2019, 02:59:21 PM

Quote from: timerland on June 09, 2019, 09:57:03 AM

I'm surprised that Polo isn't offering to at least compensate in some way, though, given the fault is probably partially on them for offering margin trading on illiquid markets anyways...

...especially when their positions should have automatically closed in the first place.

I'm getting legal advice, and I've received confirmation that pooling losses is illegal.
The default is 100% due to Poloniex's negligence. If the other trading platforms didn't allow margin trading on CLAM, that's because they were smarter.

Please see this:

Quote from: https://poloniex.com/terms/

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