Quote from: mikeywith on June 11, 2019, 09:29:06 PM

Quote from: theymos on June 11, 2019, 08:14:06 AM

if you give someone negative trust for some stupid reason, you have reason to worry about them or a close friend of theirs negative-trusting you for a similarly stupid reason

the best approach about this is to randomly select 5 members who "give someone negative trust for some stupid reason" and blacklist them from DT forever, then everyone will start using the trust system the way it was intended be used.

Excellent post mikeywith.

Everyone knows this to be true.

Anyone that can not present a strong case for scammer or attempting to scam but has left red trust must be blacklisted. Next month this should come in. 4 weeks to get your trust abuse deleted.

This random selection is an IMPROVEMENT. A step in the right direction. However, the 3 rules must be adhered to.

The more unpopular any changes are in meta (home to those colluding and creaming off the benefits of gaming the current systems) with regard DT. The more likely it is that some form of REAL decentralization is creeping in. Of course those gaming it the hardest for their own personal gain are going to be CRYING about it.

The main issue is that it is still built upon the gamed and meaningless metric of merit, which is pretty much controlled by the same colluding gang that had a vice like grip on DT.

MikeyWith is correct though: blacklist a few blatant trust abusers and watch the rest of the roaches fall in line. It will be a lot less work than you may imagine.

If red trust can ONLY be used as it is intended to be used then who is in DT is less important.

Let's get it taken care of asap.

Well done Theymos at last we see some movement toward creating a transparent and fair environment where every member is treated equally. This is exactly what satoshi would have wanted for the members of this board. He didn't want a copy of the central banking system where a few issue their own power (merit) to use against the general members here to crush (via DT abuse) any resistance and cream off all the spoils for themselves under a 2 tier rules system of their own making.

He wanted bitcoin, where each member operates under THE SAME clear and transparent rules with NO unfair advantage to any person or group of people. You want more bitcoins you have to increase your work, you don't get to make up a 2 tier rule set where you have a huge unfair advantage and have special powers to zap other peoples bitcoins away if they dare complain.

This randomization is a useful tweak, but demonstrates intent in the correct direction even if it is not a solid fix long term. It seems impossible to create a decentralized system of governance on this board that could compete with the efficiency and fairness of one transparent set of rules enforced (when required) by a central all powerful entity.

Just demonstrate you are willing to blacklist those that are trust abusing and NOBODY will trust abuse. This will wipe out also a lot of the corruption and gaming of the revenue streams here. MORE importantly free speech will return here and people will express themselves far more naturally without having to consider if it is okay to voice opposing opinions to that of a small group of bullies.

Let's get done with DT.

A FAR MORE interesting experiment of decentralization remains for MERIT, if we are really interested in creating a meritocracy here. This is what would really raise the quality here. If a system rewarded only the posts that added REAL value to a thread,then the boards quality, and productivity would go parabolic.

It is strange because we all want bitcoin to succeed, so in that we should be united. It is only the personal greed to ensure we get the max bitcoins compared to others that causes the divisions generally.

@ LFC bitcoin

Do you not understand that after outing yourself as Laudas bitch that your supporting (whining and low functioning spew) means zero. You have admitted you are too afraid of THEM to step out of line. This is just a lauda proxy account. Pointless to blather on just quote lauda and place ditto marks under it. The fact you and your master lauda hate this new update is a VERY good sign.