Quote from: vesperwillow on February 14, 2014, 07:17:05 PM

Quote from: matthewh3 on February 14, 2014, 05:37:09 PM

batch 1a customers. Until they ship the Neptunes. They won't give us the hashrate before April 1st at the very earliest, but if they give it us after mid May then all you guys were right in your rants. While I

Why do you keep repeating April 1st? They, KNCMiner, said verbatim the 'drop dead date' for giving customers access to datacenter hashes would be if they don't make the Q2 timeframe. Not Q1.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

And then there's vesper. Haha Wow, thanks for your input. Not only did you take the time to say 3 times how I'm clearly clueless about anything, you failed to give any constructive reasoning why. Well done.

I suggested you re-read the entire thread. I've been lurking since day 1 and keeping notes. Not just on KNC, but most of the claimed OEM's. Call it a hobby. Avenger, myself, a few others, all individually started noticing emerging patterns from KNC, and we all pretty much called the ball, and come to find out we were all pretty much on target. I don't need to provide any further foundation for what I'm saying. Heck, go back to November timeframe and read on, you'll see what we said was true. Or don't, it's not that big a deal for 1 person to be challenging proven individuals.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

When did we ever start defining affordability in the context of a potential for profit? ..lol I could redefine all kinds of words to better suit my arguments too.

Did you miss the part of ROI? Sure they offer hash capability for a dollar amount. If that's your basis for saying they're not leaving you without options, then you have pretty low standards.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

-Where are my FINAL specs on Neptune hash speed? I can assume it is 3Th -but didn't Jupiter start at 250Gh?

Their business model for sales is based on 3TH. That should be anyone's primary number for calculating return. Based on pages of math done throughout this thread, it's likely that you will be able to get 4.5 out of it without terrible effort, possibly 5.5 if you have the capability. The primary limitation is power.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

-Where are my FINAL details in regards to the cloudhashing option? Is it a complete forfeiture of my Neptune? Will the relative speed of cloudhashing always reflect updated Neptune specs? When exactly does the compensatory cloudhashing for Batch 1a begin?

KNC stipulated if it came to cloudhashing, it would be if they missed Q2 shipping, which means after Q2. It will then begin in order of batches. Did you guys miss the newsletter and emails?

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

Is it completely impossible to consider a scenario in which the Neptune at the time of release is 6 (or more) Th?

Capable? Possibly. Probable? Not likely. Going off of how the Jupiters were engineered and deployed, they put a lot of squeeze room into the design mainly in case of failure of the design. They discussed this last summer. They under-rated on purpose, it was both a sales tactic and a safety net for engineering. This is why the November units couldn't overclock as much, because they came pre-squeezed. For Neptunes, they stated they would pre-squeeze them as well, up to nominal power limits WRT US outlets, which is where you get your 3TH figure.

Again, and I know this sounds as if you've heard it before.. this all comes from newsletters, email, and information throughout the thread...

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

Is it completely impossible to consider that IF each Neptune was indeed 6Th, that in order to provide a possible Plan B to all existing preorders, ~22Ph must be rolled out in their datacenter?

They stipulated regardless of capability, each order would only be allotted the sales-figure-based hashrate of 3TH.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

Is it completely impossible to consider that IF they had to roll out a 22Ph safety net, they realized they simply didn't have the Jupiter production capacity to both provide said backup plan AND sell Jupiters and new modules?

They have more than enough production capacity because they rent production capacity based on demand. They simply diverted it for their own needs instead of allowing customers to purchase it. As is their right.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

(By the way, a 6Th machine, released at a 15 billion difficulty with 1 billion difficulty jumps (that's ~7Ph added to network) on an EVERY WEEK basis, that machine will mine 13 BTC in 3 months)

...Which proves what we were saying earlier, it won't earn its cost back without tremendous luck from the luck fairy, because few households can support a single 6TH unit, and it's not likely their first-time-run 20nm architecture will achieve those speeds anyhow. Imagine a 4TH machine delivered in May.

Quote from: WillMilk4Coin on February 14, 2014, 06:21:22 PM

Would either of you, or the handful of the other loud bitching mouths here, even be able to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY of scenarios that exist outside of your own narrow views?

Other situations do in fact exist, and it's not narrowminded if you think about it. They offered a product, people paid for it, they delivered. With exception to the modules (which, by law, they should provide), they're not bound to provide any other products or services. The NPS wasn't exactly part of their by-laws, it was just a statement of idealism. I hold them more accountable for the modules which everyone in 2013 is entitled to, as well as yourself--the Neptune batches 1 and 2 were sold with "Modular upgradability" as a bullet point.

Part of the reason they've been running their own datacenter for awhile now (since November), is likely due to their foreseeing the possibilities of everything which has since occured, including 1/3rd of their cash capital being refunded to customers. They needed something to return when they had to cut off refunds. They needed 66% of the cash for the product and their venture. This is why their 3rd Neptune batch didn't have refunds.

I'm not as narrowminded as you might believe, and if you knew me and knew how often my estimations and predictions were within 1 deviation of accuracy, you might be more understanding as to why I'm suggesting you keep up with the thread and other news outlets. Most of your postulations or thoughts have all been answered.. by KNC for the most part, without our "views".

FFS how much energy did you put into that post. Can I ask you this why do you spend most of your free time and energy to try and tarnish the KNC name nearly two months before they're due to ship. KNC's actions will prove them yet again or maybe bury them. Although your crusade and all that time spent will be forgotten. Here you've made your point, then if you're correct you can quote it in July and gloat. IMHO KNC have so far proved them selfs to be the best option of a bad bunch. That's why I put more than $50k on them.