Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 07:33:46 PM

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on June 15, 2019, 02:51:19 PM

Both science and religion are miraculous.

For religion :
1) An eternal God who can do everything.
2) An eternal life after death.
3) An eternal hell that stays on fire with unlimited supply of oxygen.
4) An eternal heaven where you get everything you want. Just ask and it forms.
5) Magic, black magic, white magic, blue magic, pink magic etc...

Now what's miraculous about science?

1) The whole of the universe just came out from nothing. Does it make sense? Something out of nothing? Wow.
2) If the universe didn't come out from nothing, it exists for eternal time! Can something exist eternally? Wow!
3) From our head to our toe, we are made up of non-living particles, yet, as a whole we are alive. How? What's that super power?
4) You thought time was constant? One year on Japan is one year in New York? One hour on Earth is one hour (Earth time) on Jupiter? No! Time isn't constant. If you revolve around a blackhole and come back after one hour, on Earth, billion of years will have been passed. And it isn't sci-fi, it's fact and physics.

In a way, science itself is more magical and fascinating than religion. The difference is, science is true miracle while religion is not that true, atleast not proven yet.

The universe didn't come from nothing, any more than a new car did. The difference is that the universe did not come from anything within it, not even from the so-called "nothing" that exists within the universe.

There is a difference between "eternal" and "everlasting." The universe might last forever, but it had a beginning... and not too far in the past. If the beginning was far into the past, entropy would have dissolved/dispersed/diffused all complexity into enough simplicity that mankind and all life would have died out long ago.

Life is in the complexity. All the particles are full of complexity. It's simply that they are extremely complex when life exists with them.

Nobody has proven the black-hole/time physics. It's only theory, subject to change if new info is found. There is no proof of billions of years. The farthest we can go back for sure is about 5,000 years.

Cool

1) The universe indeed came from "nothing". There's nothing called "within" or "outside" the universe. If anything is there outside the universe, it is part of the universe and itself is the universe. Hence, either the universe was there eternally or it came into existence from nothing.

2) the universe is ever expanding and infinite flat. Let alone mankind, even the smallest life forms took billions of years and suitable climate to form. Hence, there's no smart creation, it's all randomness. Earth just got lucky.

3) All the particles aren't complex at all. They are simple. Electrons, protons and neutrons.
You are made of them. Your TV is made of them. When I say made of them, I mean made of only them and nothing else. Yet you are alive while your tv is dead. Indeed, miraculous science.

4) No proof of theory of realitivity? GPS system itself is based on this theory lol.... so we can get accurate location as the time of satellites and GPS systems vary as they are on high velocities in space. Hence, their clocks are made special to match with earth's time. Theory of relativity is the back of modern physics. Without it, physics is nothing.

1. But where did "nothing" come from? "Nothing" didn't come from "nothing," did it?

2. The science that suggests this is simply interpretation that contradicts itself in areas. The example of Big Bang shows that our math and physics cannot be used to calculate what the BB was like, so it can't really calculate that BB even existed.

3. Naming the particles is simple. For example, the earth is a planet. How simple. But it is very much more complex that simply calling it a planet. Just because we haven't figured out the complexity of an atom or electron, doesn't mean the complexity isn't there. For example, we have figured out enough to know that electrons are made up of other subatomic particles.

4. Except that aether theory, electric universe theory, and micro-gravity theory all contradict points in the theory of relativity... which remains a theory, because it can be changed upon further findings. This shows that it is not a fact, and things like black-holes are so far out there that we don't really know what part of relativity holds true with them.

In addition, the idea that a point inside the black hole can contain the matter of the black-hole, contradicts Euclidean geometry. A point is the place where things meet. It is the non-existence of material... yet scientists run all around this idea by suggesting that a chunk of space that is too small to even contain "nothing," can contain so much material that the gravity of it can suck even light in.

Scientists are twisting math into things that it is not made to be twisted into.

Cool

1) you are trying way too hard to paint a God into the picture. It won't work. You aren't able to perceive "nothing" doesn't mean "nothing" can't exist. If big bang is true, indeed everything came into existence from "nothing". There's nothing to argue.

2) Nah..... life is a part of the mysterious universe. To claim that the universe is lame and life is superior so a God exist is absurd. Life and universe both are weird yet simple.

3) Sure, but the logic still stays. On the fundamental level, every stuff on earth is made up of same thing. Doesn't matter how complex they are, at the fundamental level, everything is same. Everything is "matter".

4) recently we even got a picture of blackhole Wink

blackhole exists both practically and theoretically. Light can indeed be sucked in as it had dynamic mass and it behaves like particles too. The blackhole has gravity high enough to do it

You can't convince me a sky daddy exist yet Cheesy