Quote from: Incomer on September 09, 2011, 05:27:09 AM

I just think that either he is a sock puppet or being deliberately disingenuous. I spent a bit of time reading over those things and there is proof of: Judgement against him for deliberately misleading people into believing that he could fix their financial problems with 0 positive results shown by his defense to refute this; fleeing the jurisdiction of that judgement without paying that judgement; conviction for prostitution that was plead down; confirmed judgement against him in 1 state for fleeing with sums of money owing in rent; current proceedings in another state for the same thing; current proceedings in that state for an assault as part of that.

This is not made up, the documents have been found.

That is just the stuff we know about, it is worth noting he confirmed that he is the same person in the first case - that IS the same person in the other ones - so it is him. That is a fact. The silly part is that when looking at all of that proven information, people fasten onto some animal/child sex thing that only the trolls came up with to ignore the rest. They have to be either sock puppets, deliberately disingenuous or completely dense.

Come on, how can you defend any of those things in good faith?

Nope, not a sock puppet. Don't know Bruce personally, never met him, don't know what makes him tick. Do like his show and the contributions he has made to the group so far. Do still want to meet him and find out what kind of a person he is.
A judgement is a judgement, but 1) I believe there is often more to the story than what the court summary presents (remember the story about the lady who spilled McD's coffee on her lap?), and two, the judgement only told us what it did, leaving out too many details. I don't like people extrapolating that to things they only assume. If you want to accuse Bruce of anything, feel free to accuse him of things that were found during the fact finding portions of the trial. I'm fine with that, and will support you, even if our opinions of the person himself end up slightly different. Just don't forget that mine is an opinion, as is yours, and neither are "correct." No, I don't care about prostitution or any other consentual sex acts, nor speeding tickets. Yes, the rest of the stuff makes him out to be even more of an unscrupulous person. My parents have rental properties and have dealt with people trying to get away without paying rent. I also have friends who ended up in such shit holes that they wished they could abandon their property without having to pay for the rest of the lease. All this tells me is that Bruce has led a rather difficult and "interesting" life (growing up gay, especially in his time, I'm sure hasn't helped much, either), is not to be trusted easily when it comes to money and business, and is prone to stupid and possibly illegal mistakes (again, all of this is my opinion, based on my interpretation of the limited facts). Within that context, I don't think it has much of an influence on his just doing a talk show where he interviews guests, or organizes gatherings. People with that kind of charisma are extremely rate, and among geeky computer types are almost non-existant. So, despite his colorful past (which, as i said, I am curious about, since I like people who's lives are not borning), I am willing to forgive, or overlook, or ignore it, for the sake of continuing my own entertainment in watching his shows and learning about developments in the Bitcoin world. Had there been alternative shows, or other people willing to take up the rather difficult job Bruce volunteered for, I would not be defending the idea of his show continuing as much. But so far, he is pretty much it.
Besides, although he obviously has interest in financial things, here he has no involvement with any business or direct involvement with taking other people's money (assuming he is just a spokesperson for the charities, and others are responsible for collecting and distributing money). Perhaps this is finally something he can do in his life where he can be involved in things he loves (finance), without the risk of screwing people over. A way to redeem himself in a safe environment and finally settle on a path in his life (and maybe earn the money to pay all those people back? Maybe wishfull thinking on my part...). He's not exactly young any more, and I admit I do feel kind of sorry for him for being so far in his age, and, from what the court docs say, still having such an unsettled whirlwind of a life. (If Bruce is reading, sorry for calling him old. I know how much of an offense it is for homos)