Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 07, 2019, 08:36:53 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on July 07, 2019, 08:08:52 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 07, 2019, 08:05:46 PM

I've laid out the more worrisome phrases in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.msg51720696#msg51720696
I'm not a lawyer, but it would probably be worth the expense to have one draft a user agreement that doesn't violate the law.

So is it the part of withholding their remaining funds or is it the reason for doing so? Since most major exchanges have various reasons where they can do so, livecoin are in no way unique with these terms.

Both! Just because they write in their terms of service that they can shit on my lawn every morning doesn't mean it's legal for them to shit on my lawn every morning. It's my lawn, I signed their user agreement, but there are other laws that govern where they can and cannot shit.

Exchanges are bound by law to freeze assets of known criminals, terrorists, and money launders. That's the only legal precedent they have for freezing a clients account. Posting mean things on social media doesn't give them the right to freeze a clients assets. Not only that, doing so is a violation of the law, and plain old common sense. Who the fuck does that? You wouldn't have withheld QS's last sig campaign payment even though he was slandering you.

Not to mention their ToS sounds like it was written by some one who has never used English in daily conversation, and it's full of stupid shit like "causing troubles." Please define "causing troubles" and explain to me how to avoid it, so as to prevent my account from being locked.

Please find similar clauses in Coinbase's or Binance's user agreements.

I did here: Snip from Binance ToS:

"10. Termination of Agreement
You agree that Binance shall have the right to immediately suspend your account (and any accounts beneficially owned by related entities or affiliates), freeze or lock the funds in all such accounts, and suspend your access to Binance for any reason including if it suspects any such accounts to be in violation of these Terms, our Privacy Policy, or any applicable laws and regulations. You agree that Binance shall not be liable to you for any permanent or temporary modification, suspension or termination of your Account or access to all or any portion of the Services. Binance shall have the right to keep and use the transaction data or other information related to such accounts. The above account controls may also be applied in the following cases:
after Binance terminates services to you;
you allegedly register or register in any other persons name as Binance user again, directly or indirectly;
the information that you have provided is untruthful, inaccurate, outdated or incomplete;
when these Terms are amended, you expressly state and notify Binance of your unwillingness to accept the amended Terms;
you request that the Services be terminated; and
any other circumstances where Binance deems it should terminate the services."

I've found it in several different terms of several different exchanges.

Quote from: Quickseller on July 07, 2019, 08:37:30 PM

Changing the narrative? No. I am just pointing out that you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is in claiming that what LiveCoin is doing is not a scam.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Are you extorting me then? Since my options are either A) Send 0.15BTC to you and expect nothing in return or B) call Livecoin a scam. Am I understanding you correctly here?

It feels to me like we need to determine what it is we are arguing here, it is taking far too many different directions.