Quote from: Hhampuz on July 07, 2019, 08:14:09 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 07, 2019, 08:12:40 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on July 07, 2019, 07:32:27 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 07, 2019, 07:19:05 PM

edit: How about this, you can send 0.15BTC to 3P1o6BafmQomjKjakbK4ske8Lq8hCkJhiU to "speculate on the price of" 10 ETH -- I will not allow you to ever receive this ETH but you can sell this right to "speculate on the price" of ETH to anyone else who is a willing buyer. In my specific case, I am not scamming because I am disclosing your inability to receive ETH ahead of time, but LiveCoin did not do this, and as such is scamming.

Wrong again Huh

They did notify users that withdrawing/depositing MONA had been suspended until further notice would be given.

Wonderful. Please post here once you have sent the tx, since you are such a strong believe that this arrangement is entirely ethical, and in no way a scam.

So you are just going to keep changing the narrative time and time again? How about retracting your statement that Livecoin did not notify their users?

And the part about Livecoin allegedly selling non-existent coins to their clients

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 07, 2019, 08:05:46 PM

Quote from: Hhampuz on July 07, 2019, 06:25:58 PM

Which part of their ToS are you talking about? Just curious, as I want to make some cross-references.

I've laid out the more worrisome phrases in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.msg51720696#msg51720696
I'm not a lawyer, but it would probably be worth the expense to have one draft a user agreement that doesn't violate the law

Does that make them scammers? If it doesn't, then it is not a point for discussion or debate here. But you can lay out that draft elsewhere

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 07, 2019, 08:36:53 PM

Just because they write in their terms of service that they can shit on my lawn every morning doesn't mean it's legal for them to shit on my lawn every morning. It's my lawn, I signed their user agreement, but there are other laws that govern where they can and cannot shit

That doesn't make them scammers, so no point in discussing it any further

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 07, 2019, 08:05:46 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 07, 2019, 06:15:20 PM

Did you read nutildah's post?

Did you? As nutildah lays out clearly; on May 15, 2018 LiveCoin notices what they suspect to be a DDoS attack on MONA. On June 7, 2018 they decide it's time to stop trading MONA and freeze the asset. Three fucking weeks later?

That's why we need further information and more detail from the exchange. More specifically, for the case in question we need to know when exactly OP had been trading this shitcoin, i.e. after the attack and before the announcement or after the announcement. The former is the window for which he can presumably require compensation unless he was deliberately trying to milk the exchange (read, he is the real scammer)

As you can see, there is not much against LiveCoin which cannot at the same time be turned against OP

Quote from: Quickseller on July 07, 2019, 08:37:30 PM

Feel free to prove me wrong

No one is going to prove you wrong because the burden of proof is on the accuser. So far no valid proofs have been presented other than locking the account. This is the part which the exchange should address