Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 24, 2019, 04:20:02 AM

Plus criticizing Lightning is OK, but saying gift cards are more superior is the dumbest way to criticize it.

Not a criticism but a fact. Learn the difference.

Superior in the aspects of actually decreasing the number of onchain transactions and decreasing the amount of fees charged.

If those things are dumb to you, well you have always been stupid. Kiss

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2019, 08:38:35 AM

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LN is Banking 2.0 .

As long as it's optional, I'm totally fine with that! I want to be able to use Bitcoin for small transactions, and for small amounts I don't mind trusting someone.

Is it really Bitcoin in which you and only you are in full control of your private keys? No.
Do I care for small amounts as long as I can make small payments without paying several dollars in fees? Hell no!

Actually, it won't be optional, Banks will dominate LN , and then dominate bitcoin onchain.
They can print fiat out of thin air to buy all of the bitcoins, which they then lock up just for their internal transactions.
Or they can use Public money to overload the bitcoin transactions limits, to make onchain transactions unaffordable.
Or they can just have their government minions pass laws allowing only banks to directly transacts in bitcoin.
They have a multitude of options , but at the end of the day, the final result will be , you will need them to transact with anyone.
Just watch as time progresses and it becomes apparent to all.
The Freedom of Crypto transactions between the populace will be short-lived to less than 10 years from now.