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Antidepressants are evil.

If I have a religion, it is my belief in the immutability of the laws of thermodynamics. I believe they apply beyond the material plane.

There is no free lunch. All equations will balance. Joy has no meaning without sorrow.

Any attempt to circumvent pain will be ultimately futile. Attempting to borrow happiness from the future is ill advised.

So you are saying that one should hit oneself in the head with a hammer because it feels so good when one stops?

This is literally something almost every civilicised human does.
So i guess he meant that knowing (even remembering) that it hurts brings joy by becoming aware how good it feels NOT to hit yourself in the head.
Right?

I disagree. Of course you can feel joy without first feeling pain.
The receptors/signaling substances that make you feel good are not depending on the receptors/substances for negative feelings to work. (if you see what I mean, I simplify)
It's two different things.
I very seldom feel bad, and when i do it's all natural feelings, like when I think of my first cat that died 15 years ago, those memories still bring a tear to my eyes. But I feel quite joyful a lot of times. Most of the times however is a just a normal state of wellbeing or inbetween or whatever you want to call it.

EDIT: no, civilized citizens do not gather in groups and hit each other in the head, nor do they do it in the privacy of their own home, at least not in my country, if they do in your's please post video.

Of course not.
I meant that people are "using" pain to get attention by others, which makes them feel good (better) again.
They even hurt themselves by trying sooo hard to achieve anything that is valued by others, sometimes even if they (might) die trying.
We're highly dependent on attention since the day we were born, that's why we are able to cry right after birth. Or most of us, at least.
The trick is to recognize and overcome this habit and give attention to ourselves, starting to discover what we really need.

EDIT: This gets too ethical. We need some price action...

EDIT2: Anyway, i'm off for sleep now.