Quote from: blablahblah on February 20, 2014, 09:57:01 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 09:19:46 PM

Quote from: blablahblah on February 20, 2014, 07:39:09 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 05:21:57 PM

Quote from: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 05:03:09 PM

Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

i understand that you are fighting against repressive sociopath assholes. my argument was not that you aren't. my argument was that there is no point in seeking to replace them with new rulers. power corrupts and so what ever new person you give power to will also become corrupted. if you want freedom than replacing existing rulers with new rulers will never have that effect. if you want freedom than you have to reject rulership in general, not rulership from one particular group of rulers.

The system in Ukraine is basically Feudalism.

Have you wondered how they survive on those extremely low wages that wouldn't even pay for food? The free market! Or, a giant cash economy where everyone avoids paying tax so that their oppressors don't get too much. Everyone pays everyone else with bribes.

Since the Ukrainian government appears to have a military aiming guns at its own people, that means 2 things:
1) it's extremely undemocratic.
2) their government is acting like a private corporation with a private army.

Libertarian paradise!

libertarians propose a system of competing firms providing these services. as near as i can tell the citizens of Ukraine are not free to opt out of paying for the "protection" services provided by their government in favor of purchasing the services of a competing protection agency instead.

So tax-avoidance and arming the opposition doesn't count as competition against "Janukovich Enterprises"?

That"s a very interesting question. I'll have to think about it. There is certainly a parallel there, that i will grant. Either way the people do not have the right mentality for this presently violent "competition" to settle into a non violent competitive market. With the sort of mentality that people have now the present state of violent competition will inevitably either fail to settle into a system of non market competition or collapse into monopoly.