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Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It?
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TwitchySeal
on 12/10/2019, 20:46:39 UTC
Quote from: TECSHARE on October 12, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: nutildah on October 12, 2019, 10:17:34 AM
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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 12, 2019, 10:03:51 AM
Congress can not indict or convict a someone with of a crime.  Just because they are investigating a crime doesn't make it a criminal proceeding.

If Nixon was actually impeached and convicted, he still wouldn't have a criminal record until the DOJ indicted him and he either plead guilty or was found guilty by a trial.

Like the FBI, they can recommend someone get indicted.  But they can't actually charge anyone with a crime.

Thanks Captain Obvious. The point is it was based on criminal activity of which Nixon was involved in, which was of primary relevance to their oversight ability.

Wow, you just got proven wrong and then you called the person who proved you wrong "Captain Obvious."

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The Nixon impeachment was based upon the criminal Watergate incident, so yes, it was a criminal proceeding.

Wrong. An impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding. You were wrong, now admit it.


You sure are a thirsty boi now aren't you?

"The case of U.S. v. Nixon—in which the Supreme Court ruled that the president had to turn over the infamous Oval Office recordings to the special prosecutor—was decided just over three months after the relevant grand jury subpoena had been issued. That was a criminal investigation, so the analogy is not entirely apt"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-powers-does-formal-impeachment-inquiry-give-house

The subpoenas were issued based upon a criminal proceeding.

You really think that because the Supreme Court ruled that Nixon must comply with the House subpoenas makes the current subpoenas unenforceable because the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on them?

Did you come up with this on your own or read it in a conspiracy blog?

That's just not how it works.  It's not the Supreme Courts job to sign off on every House subpoena. The rulings they make set a precedent.  The Nixon case actually proves that the House does have the power to subpoena Presidential records to provide oversight of the executive branch.  This is why Trumps lawyers tried to argue to a judge that the 1974 ruling  (which was unanimous) was wrongly decided.  The judge basically laughed in Trumps face.