Quote from: nutildah on October 12, 2019, 11:10:53 AM

I just find it humorous that you have a stark inability to ever admit you were wrong about something. Sorry for picking on you.

Just because you are desperate to have whatever little gotcha moment you can scrounge up doesn't make me wrong.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 12, 2019, 08:46:39 PM

You really think that because the Supreme Court ruled that Nixon must comply with the House subpoenas makes the current subpoenas unenforceable because the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on them?

Did you come up with this on your own or read it in a conspiracy blog?

That's just not how it works. It's not the Supreme Courts job to sign off on every House subpoena. The rulings they make set a precedent. The Nixon case actually proves that the House does have the power to subpoena Presidential records to provide oversight of the executive branch. This is why Trumps lawyers tried to argue to a judge that the 1974 ruling (which was unanimous) was wrongly decided. The judge basically laughed in Trumps face.

No, the point is they are not comparable. You used it as an example and claimed Trump could be impeached on this fact alone, when in fact he was not legally subpoenaed, which requires force of law with a penalty for defiance. The two situations are not at all comparable. The precedent says, as I documented above, that there first needs to be a vote before a subpoena with force of law can be issued. What the democrats are doing is unprecedented in an impeachment process.

"There is no impeachment inquiry. There are no subpoenas, the piece, published Thursday, began.

You are not to be faulted if you think a formal inquest is under way and that legal process has been issued, he said. The misimpression is completely understandable if you have been taking in media coverage in particular, reporting on a haughty Sept. 27 letter from House Democrats, presuming to direct Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, on pain of citation for obstruction, to cooperate in their demands to depose State Department officials and review various records.

What is portrayed as an impeachment inquiry is actually just a made-for-cable-TV political soap opera. The House of Representatives is not conducting a formal impeachment inquiry. To the contrary, congressional Democrats are conducting the 2020 political campaign.
Do you think that Donald Trump will be impeached?

McCarthy pointed out something weve noted and most the establishment media hasnt: An impeachment inquiry is a very specific thing usually requiring a vote in the House Judiciary Committee to commence. That vote hasnt happened and presumably wont."

"The committees arent using their subpoena power in part or in whole, McCarthy says, because subpoenas get litigated in court when the people or agencies on the receiving end object.

Democrats want to have an impeachment show um, inquiry on television; they do not want to defend its bona fides in court, he wrote. They certainly do not want to defend their letter. The Democrats media scribes note the chairmens admonition that any failure by Pompeo to comply shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the Houses impeachment inquiry. What a crock.

In criminal proceedings, prosecutors demand information all the time and witnesses often resist just as congressional Democrats encouraged the Justice Department and FBI to resist when Republican-controlled committees were trying to investigate such matters as Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuse, he wrote.

Presumptively, resisting an information request is not evidence of obstruction. It is evidence that the recipient of the demand believes he or she has a legal privilege that excuses compliance. The recipient can be wrong about that without being guilty of obstruction.

Congressional Democrats know this, of course many of them are lawyers. They are issuing partisan letters that pose legally offensive threats, rather than subpoenas, because this is a show, not an impeachment inquiry."

"Every presidential impeachment inquiry, from Andrew Johnson through Bill Clinton, has been the subject of bipartisan consultation and debate. The House has recognized that its legitimacy, and the legitimacy of its most solemn actions, must be based on the consideration of the whole body, not the diktat of a few partisan bosses, he wrote.

Not this one. This one is a misadventure in exactly the bare-knuckles partisanship the Framers feared. To be sure, no one has the power to prevent willful House leadership from misbehaving this way. But were not required to pretend the charade is real."

"Ex-Fed. Prosecutor McCarthy: Despite Dem Antics, No Impeachment Inquiry Happening"

https://www.westernjournal.com/ex-fed-prosecutor-mccarthy-despite-dem-antics-no-impeachment-inquiry-happening/