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Quote from: akram143 on October 03, 2019, 10:19:52 AM

Everyone in this world looking for their own benefits so they are hiding under the religious thing,in my places Muslims and all other religious people were living in peace so why we see Islam as good but some Muslims are bad.We cannot oppose everyone just because of 10% doing the things in wrong way.

Islam bad; Muslim hypocrite.

Islam tell Muslim kill other people - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Islam bad.

Muslim hypocrite. Muslim say Islam good, but not obey Islam; not kill other people. Muslim want peace. Muslim not want Islam violence. Muslim not good Islam person. Muslim hypocrite.

ISIS good Muslim. ISIS obey Islam. ISIS do violence like Islam say to do.

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in fact all religious goals teach goodness and peace. any religion never teaches barbarity, it's just that humans involve religion to commit barbarity.

ISIS is a terrorist, radical Islam and in my opinion the beginning of ISIS was formed not from Islamic religion, but there is a group that wants to expel Islam. You do not consider Islam as a religion of violence, Islam is broad and has many sects / groups.

in Asian countries, it is agreed that ISIS is a terrorist and must be opposed. As an example in Indonesia, don't try to save the ISIS flag, then you will be arrested and processed according to the law.

Quote from: akram143 on October 03, 2019, 04:25:41 PM

Terrorist : Islam people + Non Islam people

ISIS : From US to make some bad thing about Islam

I am a Muslim and I never taught about we need to kill someone,Islam is peace not violence...

I agree with you, I'm sure you know the real Islam.

The point is this regarding Islam. Is Islam what the vast mass of Muslims say that it is? Or is Islam what the Koran and Hadiths say that it is?

If every Muslim is his own authority regarding what Islam is, then Islam is an entirely broken religion. Why? Because every Muslim thinks about his religion at least slightly differently than all other Muslims. But mostly because there are many factions of Islam that say that Islam is something different than all the others.

If every Muslim is his own authority, but fundamentally says that he bows to what the Koran and Hadiths say, then why don't Muslims obey the Koran all the way like ISIS attempts to do? How is ISIS attempting to obey the Koran all the way? Here's how:

The Koran and Hadiths say 3 basic things for Muslims to do:
1. Obey the Koran and Hadiths, and live in peace with all other Muslims;
2. Live in peace with the infidels while trying to convert them to Islam. This may take some time;
3. If infidels won't turn to Islam, ultimately destroy them. How much time to give them? This is a judgmental thing. The Koran and Hadiths prescribe the time limits and the circumstances for Muslims to make their move.

Does Islam call for violence? In the Koran and Hadiths it does. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

So, what is a Muslim? Someone who picks and chooses what he will believe about Islam? Or someone who does the things that the Koran says as listed 1, 2, 3, above? A Muslim can't do what the Koran says if he doesn't know what the Koran says. A peaceful Muslim isn't doing the violence that the Koran calls for. But ISIS is... peaceful to other faithful Muslims, but violence to non-violent Muslims who won't destroy the people of other religions like ISIS is doing.

If you are a peaceful Muslim who won't destroy people of other religions, you are at best a very weak Muslim. Why? Because you aren't following the basics of Islam as written in the Koran and Hadiths.

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between the two. namely Islam that is said by the Koran & Hadith, Islam is also as said by most Muslims namely (Ulama: religious leaders or religious leaders whose task is to protect, foster and guide Muslims both in matters of religious maupum daily problems that are needed both in terms of religious and social)

You are wrong to say that Islamic law is only the Qur'an and Hadith.

In Islamic law there are 4 namely:
1. Al-quran (the most important and irreversible source of Islamic law, al-quran separates between right and wrong)
2. Hadith (the second source of Islamic law after Al-Qur'an. Hadith is all forms of behavior of the Prophet Muhammad SAW, both in the words, deeds, and
   decrees of the Prophet)
3. Ijma '(a legal agreement taken from the Fatwa or deliberation of the Ulama about a case that is not found in the Qur'an or hadith law. But the
   reference must be in the Qur'an and Hadith. Ijma' at the present time taken from the decisions of Islamic scholars.
4. Qiyash (is explaining the law of something that is not in the Qur'an and hadith by comparing it to something determined based on the Qur'an and
   Hadith)

Language in the Qur'an is complicated, it needs interpretation by someone who is an expert in the fields of religion and language. imagine 1 word even 1 letter in the quran has millions of meanings. The interpretation of the Qur'an as you say 1, 2, 3, is wrong. If a Muslim does the 3 things above, then what happens? ,, yes, I say war. this world will be destroyed if Muslims do the 3 things above.

as said by a hadith:
"Know that the people before you from the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) are divided into 72 groups, and in fact this ummah (Islam) will split into 73 groups, (as for) seventy-two will enter Hell and one group will enter Paradise, which is "al-Jama'ah."

the ulema and other extremist groups agreed that, ISIS as (khawarij) adherents, namely the concept of paganism of people outside the understanding embraced by certain groups. One of the evidence that strengthens the allegations of ISIS as adherents of the khawarij is that it is easy to disbelieve other parties indiscriminately. For ISIS, justifying the blood of those who are against it is the right thing, even if the opponent is Muslim. No wonder why ISIS is so easy to execute people outside of its group.

The Quran and the wisdom it contains should be dismissed outright by any person living in the 21st century. With no exceptions.

It is a collection of nonsensical 'sayings' collected and written by some military commanders daydreaming about conquering the world and subjugating all conquered peoples. Scientific nonsense, full of contradictions.

I have no idea why anyone would pay any attention to this book. If you want to read something interesting start with

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1.Best_Books_Ever