Quote from: TECSHARE on October 14, 2019, 04:28:20 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 14, 2019, 04:17:21 AM

Quote from: PopoJeff on October 13, 2019, 11:59:34 PM

The left screamed that defunding PP would be bad for women somehow. They can correct their own issues by not letting men cum in them.
And PP isn't hurting for money, they just announced a $45mil campaign to attack Republicans.

I might be off on a couple details but pretty sure the current laws (the Hyde Act mainly) don't allow for federal funding to cover abortions unless it's to save the womans life, or due to incest or rape. And no, you can't just tell the doctor "I was raped". You have to report it to the police and then have Medicaid send the waiver to planned parent hood at least 48 hours before the abortion.

Planned parenthood 'federal funding' is just another way of saying they accept patients with Medicaid (to be on Medicaid you can't make more than ~$17k a year) and offer a discount to Women not on Medicaid that don't have private insurance coverage.

I can't find any exact data. But it seems like federally funded abortions are extremely rare. Some doctors have said that in most cases women choose not to report it and just pay for the abortion or have their rapists/family members child. TECSHARE would probably point out that some of them were probably lying to try and get a free abortion from his tax dollars, and he'd probably be right. In most of these cases though "not letting men cum in them" wouldn't "correct their own issues".

The vast majority of abortions at Planned Parenthood are paid for out of pocket or through private health insurance, and abortions make up less than 4% of PP total services. You could argue that they likely prevent far more abortions than they give. (They also give out free condoms)

Planned Parenthood Services for 2017:

48.7% STD Testing
27.1% Contraception
13.4% Other Women's Health Services
6.3% Cancer Screening and Prevention
3.4% Abortion Services
1.1% Other Services

Quote from: PopoJeff on October 13, 2019, 11:59:34 PM

I get where youre coming from.. but where do you think think anyone is trying to restrict women's uteruses?
Some far right folks can certainly be ani-abortion, but the current R administration has no qualms with abortion at the moment.

I think "all abortion should be illegal no matter what" crowd is a lot bigger than you think.

In 2019 (a few months after Kavanaugh was sworn in)13 states passed anti-abortion laws, knowing full well that they would be sued for passing an illegal law in hopes that the supreme court would hear the case and overrule roe v wade. It's been decades since this was attempted. With the make up of the Supreme Court, it's entirely possible it works. They weren't just bible belt states either. North Dakota, Ohio, Indiana all took a shot.

The most extreme law was passed in Alabama, it would make abortion due to incest or rape illegal.

Are those percentages services used or funds used? The difference is very significant. Additionally as was already pointed out, Planned Parenthood is using federal funds to turn right around and contribute to political campaigns and lobbying. This needs to end.

It's total services, not funds. I can't find a break down of how much is actually spent on each - but it seems pretty clear that the vast majority are from out of pocket or insured patients. You're right though, the numbers are a bit deceiving. I thought it was total money spent, but it's actually total services.

Claiming they are taking federal funds and turning around and using it for lobbying and campaigning isn't accurate though. Most of the money they receive from the federal government is a reimbursement for treating patients with Medicaid (over 75%) and the rest goes towards discounts for low income patients without insurance.

In 2018 they received:

563.8m from federal government
365.7m from private insurance companies and patients paying out of picket
413.6m in private donations

They only made $533,000 in campaign contributions (all democrats though) and spent $1.2m in lobbying. That's less than 0.002 % of their total revenue of which only 34% is federal.

Here are Planned Parenthoods financials for 2019: