Quote from: TECSHARE on October 17, 2019, 06:59:37 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 17, 2019, 06:55:49 AM

The thing is, when you're the president you have the FBI, CIA, and DOJ all at your disposal. They are all fully capable of investigating Bidens and his sons behavior as VP, even if it involved another country - and if they found anything it could actually be used to prosecute Bide. He also could have gone through the Department of State.

Instead he asked the president of Ukraine to do him a favor. I mean, wtf?

Even if Ukraine comes back and says "oh yeah, Biden broke our laws, he's guilty!" It literally would mean nothing over here criminally. The only thing it would do was give Trump ammo to attack Biden on the campaign trail.

Am I making sense?

Quote from: tvbcof on October 17, 2019, 06:18:50 AM

Here's an idea: How about if the political parties put forward candidates who are not criminals? Someone should try that someday.

Nixon, Carter, Raegan, Bush, Bush, Obama, all the Dem candidates besides Biden and Warren (I'll throw her in so we don't have to debate the pocohantas thing.)

I'm not aware of any evidence, or even semi-reasonable accusations that any of these people were criminals when they were running for president.

(Exceptions being marijuana use, Bernie getting arrested for protesting and Nixons campaign for second term)

Your logic makes zero sense. All of those organizations were infiltrated and openly hostile to the president, the FBI, The DOJ, and ESPECIALLY the CIA. The President is the head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of government. This is literally his job.

"Even if Ukraine comes back and says "oh yeah, Biden broke our laws, he's guilty!" It literally would mean nothing over here criminally."

Are you sure about that? That sounds a lot like wishful thinking to me. There are a lot of regulations regarding officials and criminal activity, even outside of US jurisdiction. Furthermore, don't the American people deserve to have this information? Funny, that was the argument made about climbing up Trump's ass for over 3 solid years...

Fine fine. muh deepstate, I get it.

Even though the head of the FBI, CIA and DOJ all serve at the pleasure of the president, we should obviously trust Ukraines investigation results more than ours. And the fact that it's the presidents political adversary is just a coincidence. He really just can't stand any corruption anywhere.