Quote from: BitChick on February 21, 2014, 11:21:06 PM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 21, 2014, 09:07:56 PM

Anyone find it ironic that creationists ask for evidence of evolution but they accept god based on nothing but a book?

I have been trying to point out that it takes "faith" to believe in evolution just as it takes "faith" to believe in God.

In some ways the debate can seem a bit futile. I often wonder why I even bother because I am usually just ridiculed, called stupid, etc. Even though there is excellent science that supports Intelligent Design. I guess deep down the hope is that somehow there will be a small seed of doubt in all the evolution propaganda that is being taught like it is the "truth" and that will help someone realize that perhaps there is more to the "big picture" than they have shown. Maybe they will crack open a Bible and begin to read it, maybe even with the plan to prove me wrong, but in doing so God will begin to reveal Himself and then the person will realize that they have a need for God in their life. That is my true hope in it all. Really, God could have used a big bang if He wanted to so the creation/evolution debate really is not the main issue. The point that is the most important is "Is God real?" And if God is real, "What will I do about that?"

So it's okay to have faith in god based on nothing, but faith in evolution based on facts and masses of evidence is a no go? There is not excellent science that supports ID. If there was it would be the scientific consensus and it is not.

Quote from: markjamrobin on February 21, 2014, 11:26:59 PM

I.E. Who created the matter that caused the big bang, that created the universe.

Apologize for Double Post, edit doesn't work well on my phone.

And who created the god that created god?