Quote from: BitChick on February 21, 2014, 11:21:06 PM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on February 21, 2014, 09:07:56 PM

Anyone find it ironic that creationists ask for evidence of evolution but they accept god based on nothing but a book?

I have been trying to point out that it takes "faith" to believe in evolution just as it takes "faith" to believe in God.

In some ways the debate can seem a bit futile. I often wonder why I even bother because I am usually just ridiculed, called stupid, etc. Even though there is excellent science that supports Intelligent Design. I guess deep down the hope is that somehow there will be a small seed of doubt in all the evolution propaganda that is being taught like it is the "truth" and that will help someone realize that perhaps there is more to the "big picture" than they have shown. Maybe they will crack open a Bible and begin to read it, maybe even with the plan to prove me wrong, but in doing so God will begin to reveal Himself and then the person will realize that they have a need for God in their life. That is my true hope in it all. Really, God could have used a big bang if He wanted to so the creation/evolution debate really is not the main issue. The point that is the most important is "Is God real?" And if God is real, "What will I do about that?"

You believe the world was created in one day a few 1000 years ago and that you can put dinosaurs and humans in one big boat and they will walk away without a scratch, and people call you stupid? Wonder why they would say something like that.

Quote from: BitChick on February 22, 2014, 12:21:22 AM

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Quote from: hilariousandco on February 21, 2014, 11:42:05 PM

And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.

Why is it matter can't come from nothing, but a fully formed god is perfectly reasonable? Why can god always have existed, but not the universe?

Only something "supernatural", that is governed outside of the laws of nature, would be able to have existed forever.

And you base this on? If this is true then any god or being could exist so what makes one god particularly stand out? Why can't the universe or multi/metaverses have existed for ever or be "supernatural"?

What make the God of the Bible unique?

All religions are based on ways to earn salvation by something we do to attain a "higher position" or some sort of nirvana.

Christianity is the only religion that says the only way to salvation is to admit that there is no way we can earn it. It is not about being "good enough." Salvation is a free gift from God. All it takes is humbly asking God for forgiveness of falling short of his laws (the 10 commandments which we have all broken) Humility is something people just don't want to have! From the beginning of time it has been a struggle. Men just think that they are smart as God, or that they don't need Him.

However, we all need Him! We can't get to heaven on our own merit.

Why would someone need an imaginary friend? After some age you really should grow out of it.
And we can't go to heaven on our own merit? Try a spacecraft. Wink

Man, that there are still nutjobs like this in 2014, go read a book and think a little bit about how stupid your ideas really are with the knowledge we have today. 2000 years ago I can imagine it was perfectly sane to believe these things, now we know better. You can still believe something created the universe, but at least acknowledge the things that are just plain wrong.