Quote from: FredericBastiat on September 16, 2011, 09:21:20 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 16, 2011, 09:10:26 PM

Um, you are using the service. The incarceration of violent mentally ill protects you just as much as it protects any citizen.

The important thing here is that you agree the service is needed. You just don't want to pay for the protection you receive. Unless you have something more intelligent that "I want it for free and I want it now" I think your attempt to offer an idea for organising a society has just fallen apart.

I'd really appreciate it that you not put words in my mouth. I'm also not interested in organizing a society. If a society comes about by and thru its individuality, then great. I'm not interested in social engineering. I'll leave that up to the Lenin's and Hitler's and Stalin's to figure out.

I do agree with you that the service is needed, just not that I need to steal to get it. I'd like to avoid that, as it has a really bad stigma associated with it, and tends to leave a bad taste in my mouth... you know, a lot like the words you were trying to shove in there.

If you agree with the need for the service, then you agree it must be paid for. The service is not for 1 person or for 1 group of people - its for everyone in society. So everyone in society has to pay for it. The mechanism for collecting that payment is called tax. Stop please calling it "plunder" and "stealing" and "theft" - tax is the best way to provide the service.