Quote from: xtraelv on November 05, 2019, 06:43:15 AM

some answers ... and a lot of garbage

op

WOW we really thought you would be running away by now, but we see you still left yourself a little excuse to run away at any time...the old still waiting for theymos to hold my hand. COME ON MAN UP ... you have come this far. You will stay until the end right??? or what excuse will you give for vanishing??

I see already some clear signs of a person that is simply afraid to answer the questions here. Lots of extra filler excuses and refusal to answer yes or now to a clear cut question that a DT member should have no problem saying yes or no to.

Remember we must stick to what is UNDENIABLE and PROVEN not start performing some mental gymnastics and inserting excuses and personal homages to our pals. Then start trying to subvert from DIRECT AND PROVEN already committed financially motivated wrong doing to "possible" behaviors that in the future in our "opinions" with a few huge leaps and gaps that we try to fill with our own subjective garbage could be worth bringing up to derail.

We are sticking to undeniable and proven observable financially motivated wrong doing. Not we "speculate" someone has made claims that we "consider" may be untrue that "could" be seen to be a financial danger if we start making performing mental gymnastics.

So since we are claiming YOU are CORRUPT or that you are UNTRUSTWORTHY and that YOU are posing a DIRECT FINANCIAL danger to members by DELIBERATELY allowing your "friends and fellow DT scum" to Undeniably commit scamming or admitting they are willing to facilitate scamming for a PRICE and refuse to red trust them and EVEN SUPPORT THEM TO POSITIONS OF TRUST then you need to answer questions to demonstrate this is NOT TRUE.

I mean if it is NOT TRUE then you will have no issue simply answering the questions and not trying to derail or subvert with your own subjective excuses and nonsense. Nobody cares if you knew the people when they committed acts that demonstrate undeniably they are financially dangerous, or if you think they are what is needed in other areas (not sure what they could be) Just answer the questions, directly and without the excuses and wildly subjective boarding on ludicrous claims.

SO going back to the questions again. I will try to extrapolate some answers you are free to refute the extrapolations if you want to claim those are not your answers and correct them

I will try to extrapolate your answers for the reader in red.

1. Do you or have you in the last 3 months included on your trust list lauda, tman or nutildah and do they include or have they included you in the last 3 months? Please answer in full

tman and nutildah and xldiv ALL SUPPORT EACH OTHER ON DT

2. Do you accept that the purpose of negative trust is to place a warning of " financially high risk" or " scammer" ( since those are the 2 messages you get at the top of your threads if you meet certain thresholds theymos has set here for negative trust (old system) or flags (new system)). This is the PRIME and central reason for the negative trust and flagging systems. These are clearly theymos's intentions since they are his own words on the warning banners?

YES

3. Is someone that lies or intentionally deceives others for their own direct financial gain .. a scammer and financially high risk? yes or no?

YES with lots of excuses and other blathering on.

I mean from xldivs above reply it is clear that already he is NOT KEEN on simply answering yes or no NOR keep to what is undeniable and proven. Also trying to move the discussion AWAY FROM UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE SCAMMING FOR FINANCIAL GAIN and on to " speculations" of "possible" other behaviors that have no connection to the financial danger of other members without more "JUMPS AND SPECULATIONS"

So in summary then it looks fair to say you are saying.

You and nutildah and tman all support each other on DT. You ALL benefit from YOU giving them a free pass on their UNDENIABLE SCAMMING and UNDENIABLE willingness to facilitate scams for direct payment. THAT IS TRUE is it not? I mean there is clear motivation there for you to give them a free pass. That is clear.

You accept that undeniable scamming and undeniable financially motivated wrong doing is a cause for red trust AND NOT CAUSE FOR BEING ADDED AS ONE OF THE MOST TRUSTED MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM. Those undeniably scamming or undeniably committing wrong doing for DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN should have red trust and be excluded from the trust system. This you agree with right?

I mean if you do NOT agree with those then speak up and we can get down to why. I am not interested in your personal beliefs that your SPECULATIONS and unproven opinions are also in your "opinons" grounds for negative trust or exclusion from the trust system. We are dealing only with UNDENIABLE and ALREADY obsevable committed acts of direct financially motivated wrong doing for now. Please no more derailing or side tracking.

SO now we have established these things.

Let's take TMAN and see how his UNDENIABLE wrongdoing fits in with your answers and then the actions you have taken.

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1. Tman - it is all in the OP but since you seemed to select only PART of his illustrious past then we need to repost it all here for you.

TMAN

This person is clearly a low functioning imbecile. We have previously challenged it to present it best original thought inspiring posts for analysis (since his account was showered in merits to boost it from hero to legendary. He could not provide ANYTHING of real value or merit. He claims he is given merit because people find his swearing and sexual deviant ramblings are entertaining. So he has zero value with regard reaching the optimal solution or opinion. He simply does not have the capacity to add any kind of value to this board.

He is also implicated in some VERY dirty and dangerous behaviors here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

His known PALS both owlcatz and lauda are both implicated in the same extortion attempt.

Seems Tman also is not above a bit of scamming directly when it suits him (we quote OG below who discovered this)

"TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

Admission it was his auction:
"Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.msg19349060#msg19349060 "

Tman has also admitted in black and white that he used the trust system to punish those that present observable instances (facts) of wrong doing by his friend Lauda.

This DIRTY TURD is currently a merit source and DT. Time to flush that filthy piece of shit.

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1. You seem to be claiming that you believe the robber running out of the bank and getting busted by the cops .... robber claims (although he has a loaded gun, raccoon suit, swag bag full of freshly stolen money.... " hey officers just doing a security test on the bank to make sure that other investors money is safe " hahahahahah

Intention is impossible to prove, and you are seemingly willing to just give that a free pass. BUT OKAY we believe you haha

2 Examine the auction debacle next, I mean I am interested to see how you excuse THAT observable and undeniable act as not deception for direct financial gain. I mean I don't even want a yes or no. I want a full set of excuses and a big story that demonstrates tman should not get negative trust, should be the most trusted member of the community ... can't wait. How does this NOT meet the criteria for SCAMMING in your books??

3. When someone said to him previously -you can not give negative trust for a post presenting observable instances of laudas prior undeniable wrong doing -

Tman replied in black and white " I can, I will and I just have... and if anybody does not like it....blah blah.

Explain how this does not fit with trust abuse and deliberately trying to silence whilstle blowing? therefore preventing other members having access to undeniable and proven financially motivated wrong doing of other members? therefore putting them at higher risk.

4. Tman includes the 2 other undeniable scammers Lauda and nutildah or has done until very very recently.

What reasoning did you employ to discount the extortion attempt so freely ? since those such as QS and I believe OG have confirmed after in depth investigation that this looks to be a very solid case. Of course their ACTIONS are undeniable only their intention seems to have been impossible to prove. Then again anyone can say ANYTHING is their intention can't they.

I mean you can say your INTENTION is to use the trust system to PROTECT other members from those PROVEN financially dangerous. However your actions certainly demonstrate the OPPOSITE is true.

If you dispute anything we have said DETAIL IT and then explain in detail WHY.

Read what we are asking you to provide clearly.

Stop derailing and sidetracking we are investigating WHY you believe they should not have red trust or flags, and WHY you believe they should be the most trusted members of this forum even though there are UNDENIABLE observable events of financially motivated wrong doing that certainly are clear cut cases of SCAMMING in a directly financially dangerous way.

I mean later if you wish to "speculate" others are guilty of what you " believe" is possibly financially dangerous behaviors in the FUTURE. Is not reason to avoid answering the questions about the UNDENIABLE and observable ALREADY committed financially dangerous behaviors of your DT pals and inclusions.

Stop making yourself look even worse. It is as if you KNOW you are corrupt and your friends are clear scammers and you are deliberately trying to derail, create excuses.

We will slice through any excuses and derailing like butter.

OBSERVABLE UNDENIABLE FINANCIALLY DANGEROUS BEHAVIORS OF THOSE YOU REFUSE TO GIVE RED TRUST TO AND INSTEAD CLAIM ARE THE MOST TRUSTED MEMBERS OF THE FORUM>>> THAT ALSO IN RETURN CLAIM THE SAME ABOUT YOU.

Now get on with explaining in DETAIL why you concluded the extortion was OKAY, how the auction scamming is not auction scamming, and how the above trust abuse is not trust abuse. The DETAILS. THE DETAILS on why you feel they are the most trust worthy people on the forum.