Quote from: styca on November 07, 2019, 05:29:02 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 06, 2019, 06:18:12 PM

cause and effect (C&E).
C&E, which exists all over the place, and throughout everything that we understand, suggests design rather than some form of pure random.

Quote from: BADecker on November 06, 2019, 06:18:12 PM

Pure random has to do with complete spontaneity. Simple random has to do with our ignorance and inability to track detailed C&E.

I understand. It's quite a fine distinction, but I'll have a go. 'Random' mutations occur and combine with natural selection to result in evolution. Sure, these are not totally random. There is (extremely complex) cause and effect that result in genes mutating in the way that they do. Perhaps it would also be possible to predict the universe as it is now with everything in it, starting with just the big bang, and armed with only physics and time.
Yes, 'random' mutations are all caused by something, some repair error in genetic code. And it's not random that some mutations end up being beneficial and some detrimental, it's just how it fits the environment.

This isn't evidence of some omnipotent creator though, it's just physics plus time. Push a ball and it will fall off the table. Cause and effect. We can prove why it happened. Doesn't mean that God did it.

Hate to quote my own post, but what's your response to this?
I still don't understand how you can accept the facts of evolution, but then deny it happens.